• GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca
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    I figured you’d mention Spain, but I’m not sure what you’re referring to in Korea. It was the Americans and South Koreans putting down workers uprisings there. As for Spain, the Anarchists weren’t ever going to manage to beat the Nationalists.

    What you’re failing to understand is that in the context of imperialism, and the imperial boot, such decentralized anti-authoritarian revolutions are impossible. That’s why none of them ever worked, while all the revolutions that succeeded had to take measures to ensure their survival. Look at Poland and Solidarnosc - an anti-authoritarian labour movement, ergo a good thing, right? Except the result wasn’t liberation or socialism, but another loyal member of the imperial core, happy to help keep the boot of capital on the necks of the world proletariat.

    If you guys ever manage to get off the ground and get a workers’ federation going, I’ll be the first to support you, and if you have to make a secret police to suppress the counterrevolutionaries, I’ll keep my atodasos to a minimum. In the meanwhile, Marxism-Leninism is the only thing that’s ever worked.

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      Man pick up a history book, you might learn something.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_People's_Association_in_Manchuria

      As for Spain, the Anarchists weren’t ever going to manage to beat the Nationalists.

      Lol, as if the betrayal by the USSR didn’t decimate both the troops and their moral.

      Except the result wasn’t liberation or socialism, but another loyal member of the imperial core, happy to help keep the boot of capital on the necks of the world proletariat.

      Lol, it was just switching one imperialist capitalist boot for another. You have to be real stupid to consider the USSRs treatment of Eastern Europe as anything but imperialism.

      Or it’s treatment of workers as anything but capitalism, just capitalism managed by the state.

      Marxism-Leninism is the only thing that’s ever worked.

      🤣🤣🤣

      Yeah China will be socialist any day now 🤣🤣🤣

      Why isn’t the USSR on any maps anymore?

      How come Vietnam is liberalizing?

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        Some good points, but your inappropriate “lols” and hysterically laughing emojis are tiresome, especially considering the topic

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        The USSR’s treatment of eastern Europe was characterized by a net outflow of resources from the USSR to the Warsaw Pact, and within the USSR from the RFSFR to the other SSRs. In fact, a large part of the dissolution of the USSR was that Russian nationalists didn’t want to share that wealth. This was very, very different from capitalist imperialism in which wealth is extracted from the periphery.

        Once again, I ask you what libertarian socialists have ever achieved. Have they ever acted as a geopolitical counterbalance to the US? Did they beat the nazis? Did they ever raise the literacy rates and raise the workers and peasants out of poverty? No, because they’ve only ever controlled a small region within one country during a civil war, and usually ended up losing. Come back to me with some concrete achievements, otherwise you’re just a useful idiot for imperialism.

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          Did they ever raise the literacy rates and raise the workers and peasants out of poverty?

          Litterally yes, not just in Spain, but also in Korea & Ukraine then the MLs betrayed them and gave the farms back to the owners, because authoritarian “socialism” only exists to replace capitalist oppression with state regulated capitalist oppression, because it’s more paletable to the capitalist class, that’s why they’re happy to collaborate with them, to put down any sort of independent worker movement.

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            anarchism and ML are opposing ideology. Why anarchist need support of ML states to survive?

            ML state literally won biggest war of human history, built a country from ground up that rivaled and stalled most powerful countries in history, made humongous gains in human development like literacy, life expectancy, women rights, science, tech, literature, sports and much more for the while it existed.

            Anarchist should do their own work (even tho I know anarchism is a moralist ideology not scientific so it wont work and wont change lives of people).

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              15 hours ago

              Lol, it’s kind of sad that MLs, cling to the glory of developmentalism that came from overthrowing fuedal regimes (which pretty much any regime that overthrows fuedalism sees), instead of actually improving worker power in the decades during which the authoritarian regimes you simp for actually existed.

              ML state literally won biggest war of human history

              A war that would have been much quicker if the MLs hadn’t killed all their best generals and failed to invade Finland 🤣 or if Stalin wasn’t buddies with Hitler because it allowed the USSR to invade Poland.

              And also a war that wouldn’t have been won without enormous help from peaky liberals.

              built a country from ground up that rivaled and stalled most powerful countries in history

              Yeah just pretend Russia wasn’t a great power before the US even existed because it makes the USSR look better and you wonder why everyone always laughs at MLs ridiculously twisted version of history.

              Anarchist should do their own work

              Anarchists did, only to be shot in the back by MLs, Spain, Korea, Ukraine, always the same, anarchists fight for freedom alongside so called “communists” only for the communists to turn on them before defeating the racists.

              not scientific

              LMFAO how many times does the immortal science of MLism have to fail to progress beyond creating authoritarian shitholes, before you scientifically conclude that it’s a failed approach?

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                “WhICH any regime that throws feudalism sees” Yeah except 90% of the global south

                1. You dont know if it would be quicker or not, germany had been preparing for that war for decades. And Stalin wasnt buddies with Hitler, stop lying. USSR wouldve won regardless of western support.
                2. Russia was noweher close to as prosperous and as untouched by war as USA. Soviets had to face 2 imperial wars and had to industrialize twice, america however was very safe.
                3. Well I am sorry for that hope you guys learnt your lesson and treat MLs your enemy.\
                4. ML states have done alot of progress