• wpb@lemmy.world
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    4 days ago

    You probably don’t mean to, but you’re sounding like a bit of an ignorant asshole. Were you like hangry or sth when you wrote this?

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      3 days ago

      Possibly. I am in the process of decreasing my carb intake by 99%

      Great that they closed their airspace. Truly. But praising them for “going hard” I think is silly. And I stand by that their reason for doing so is purely for domestic politics. It’s the right decision but for the wrong reason.

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        3 days ago

        for the wrong reason.

        I don’t see why this matters to you at all. If someone feeds the homeless nefariously, then let them. The homeless are getting fed. If someone stops the holocaust because it allows them to cement their hegemony, or because they got paid for it, whatever! If it stops the holocaust, I’m happy.

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          3 days ago

          Except it doesn’t stop the genocide at all.

          And the problem with doing the right thing for the wrong reason is that next time it’s not going to be the right thing.

          And people do feed homeless people nefariously, it’s a real problem for real people. Mixing in moulded food. Filling sandwiches with toothpaste.

          I’m sure you want them to say thank you and eat around the toothpaste… but I’m not going to praise them for it.

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            3 days ago

            And people do feed homeless people nefariously, it’s a real problem for real people. Mixing in moulded food. Filling sandwiches with toothpaste.

            You misunderstand the premise. Spain isn’t mixing toothpaste in proverbial sandwiches here. They closed their air space for air traffic intended for the illegal assault on Iran. That’s a good thing. It’s a tuna melt sandwich, no tooth paste, in the hands of the homeless.

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                1 day ago

                Ah, so you didn’t miss the core point. So could you maybe try to address it?

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                  I did.

                  Except it doesn’t stop the genocide at all.

                  And the problem with doing the right thing for the wrong reason is that next time it’s not going to be the right thing.

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                    And the problem with doing the right thing for the wrong reason is that next time it’s not going to be the right thing

                    Nice, that does address the core point. Two problems.

                    First, the idea that “next time it’s not going to be the right thing” has not been established at all. I mean, clearly it’s possible to do the right thing for the wrong reasons at least once, so it is not at all unimaginable that it could happen twice, three times, or as many times in a row as you’d like.

                    Secondly, you have given no indication what these “wrong reasons” are, in the case of Spain restricting its air space to impede the illegal assault on Iran. Is it to appease voters who are against this? Because that’s literally just how democracy works.

                    Except it doesn’t stop the genocide at all

                    So this is unrelated to the core point, but let’s talk about it anyway. This reduces the avenues America has to send military aid to Israel in the illegal assault on Iran, so it very clearly does do somehing to impede the assault on Iran. And a reduction in military aid to Israel is a step in the direction of ending the genocide, so that’s a nice extra. Although I’m not sure why we’re talking about the genocide. Even though it’s related, clearly a restricted air space to impede the illegal assault on Iran is more directly related to the assault on Iran than it is to the genocide.

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          3 days ago

          Why would it be relative? I’m sure Denmark could close their airspace to the US too, but it’s not relevant so does it matter?

          Other countries are busy spending enormous sums of money and resources on helping Ukraine. Opening up a second front in a second war has never been a successful strategy.

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            3 days ago

            Spain’s hardness isn’t going enough for you. I’m highlighting that there are not many countries “going harder” than Spain (with respect to Iran).