• kreskin@lemmy.world
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    23 hours ago

    under Trump.

    Most of the genocide and leveling of Gaza happened under Biden. But yes it continued under trump. Israel owns both US political parties.

    So I dont know why you say “under Trump” – its the exact same thing under both Trump and Biden. We let Israel do whatever they want, whenever they want, however they want, to whoever they want, funded by us.

    Seems you want to pretend Dems are better about it but I dont see how you can contrive any difference between 100% enablement and support.

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      20 hours ago

      In terms of Palestine? I don’t know how you yanked that interpretation out. If it doesn’t change with either party then the only reason to vote Trump is spite, followed by a leopard eating your faces.

      In terms of everything else? Yes and no. I do know we would not have:

      1. Further rollback of civil liberties of women
      2. a tax plan (impending) intended to trap women in marriage
      3. brown shirt army stalking people and performing street executions
      4. war with Iran
      5. gas prices that will continue to rise long after the war with Iran is done
      6. A rollback on all solar and wind programs / projects
      7. rollback of consumer protections re banks, credit cards, junk fees
      8. halt on internet being made an essential utility
      9. a tax plan that pushes billionaires toward becoming trillionaires
      10. NIOSH gutted, good luck with work safety gear manufactured from here on out
      11. Elections being gutted for midterms via the US postal service
      12. Speech, now, you can’t even protest Israel without being arrested or booted.
      13. Impending collapse of the dollar
      14. Cuba
      15. All those dead fishermen in South American waters
      16. Further privacy erosion in favor of Google, META, Microsoft, etc
      17. Disrespect and disenfranchising military vets, like Kelly and all the randomly expelled career generals in an attempt to make the military another brown shirt brigade
      18. And I’m sick of listing this crap.

      Arguably, 9 & 16 would probably still happen, but in slower subtler ways. The rest? Every spite vote or lack thereof made it happen.

      I don’t like our two party system. But unless you have an actual solution that fixes it at the time of an election, then the spite play does indeed hurt all.

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        17 hours ago

        I’ve given up on changing republicans. We should either change the dems, or burn our entire government to the ground without much delay. Those are our options. Changing Dems means setting boundaries and sticking to them. And boundaries cant be only around during the primary. Dems either adhere to universal human rights for all or they lose in every way I can make them lose, thats my deal with them, they can take it or leave it-- I dont care if they – or you like it. Its not asking for much. and I’m willing to burn the democratic party and our stupid governmental system to the ground to get it, just like the zionists and their creatures are willing to do.

        You want to wave a stack of lesser causes and pretend they compare at all to genocide? stuff like:

        halt on internet being made an essential utility

        oh my. You weigh that list of comparatively trivial bullshit against genocide of hundreds of thousands of innocents, journalist, and doctors huh. Well I think they dont even begin to compare, and it doesnt speak well of you that you’d even try to compare them. Kind of disgusting and self centered. Oh no, your gas is more expensive? You poor dear. This is “killing” you, I can tell. You’re basically being “genocided” by high gas prices and the internet not being considered a public utility arent you. Why cant you just stand up firmly for universal human dignity and human rights? Would that be so bad?