• gwheel@lemmy.zip
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    2 days ago

    “Don’t vote until they learn how important we are” is how you join the third+ of the country that doesn’t vote and is therefore ignored by politicians.

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      Republicans don’t vote for democrats, but democrats will abandon every last principle and every last vulnerable minority chasing their votes.

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        I can name a few vulnerable minorities that have been abandoned by people who allowed republicans to take power, can you name any the democrats abandoned?

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          Democrats who ignored all the warnings about how failing to represent their constituents would result in a loss allowed republicans to take power. Not that democrats ever wield it when they have it.

          Undocumented immigrants, when democrats permanently adopted republican border policy for a stupid momentary gotcha.

          Trans people, when democrats not only said nothing, they actually ran anti-trans hate in their own ads.

          Palestinian Americans. This has to be obvious even to you.

          Women, when democrats preferred to keep the filibuster over codifying Roe.

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      I never said don’t vote. Vote in every election possible. If that >33% of Americans who don’t vote did, we would never have a republican president again.

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        And yet a large portion of them don’t vote because of what you said in your previous comment. They say that their vote won’t matter because nothing will change, and therefore don’t vote.

        If we could convince them to vote out the Republicans and then hold the Democratic party over the fire until we can replace them with actually competent candidates (third party or not, we should remove parties period and enact ranked choice imo), then we might have a chance. But no conversation ever gets past the first hurdle of “vote blue no matter who won’t change anything.”

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          They say that their vote won’t matter because nothing will change, and therefore don’t vote.

          Maybe pretend they’re republicans and do what they want?

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          And yet a large portion of them don’t vote because of what you said in your previous comment.

          Maybe. I wonder how many leftists don’t bother voting because of what I said, and how many don’t bother voting because democrats routinely fail to achieve anything. Biden had four years to put us on the path to getting healthcare, to raising the minimum wage, to seeing Trump tried for treason, to releasing the Epstein files, to ending that one genocide, and he just sat around with his dick in his hand for four years instead.

          I won’t hold it against any leftist if they voted for Biden and feel burned. I did, and I do. Would Harris have been better? Obviously. Would she have done anything to mitigate the violence and misery the next republican would bring? Nope. The best she would do is delay some of it for a few more years before it came back worse, just like Biden did.

          You can’t just vote out the Republicans. They’re going to keep running forever. As long as Democrats can get wins just by being slightly less evil than Republicans, there will never be a fire to hold them over.