There is nothing to learn from this conversation lol, you’re spewing typical tankie bs. You think no one can criticise anything about nations that oppose the US.
Saying the death of thousands of civilians is bullshit, for whatever reasons, is just plain wrong, no matter who did the killing.
I would have ciriticised you for that regardless if the US invaded or not, it has nothing to do with that.
How is what you’re doing with “40k/20k protesters were killed” any different than the people that kept saying “Hamas throws gay people off of buildings” all throughout the Palestinian genocide.
I really want to know. You have the advantage of hindsight on the later one? Is that the only difference? Are you incapable of understanding something as “bull shit” until after the fact?
Or can you use your brain just a little bit to understand why I would call it “bull shit”?
After the crimes of Israel and the US reach the point of genocide did you keep saying: “Hamas actually does oppress gay people”. Or did you correctly understand that even the mention of this was “bull shit”.
“Iran really did kill some protesters”
Will you be repeating this as thousands more die and hundreds of thousands are displaced at the hand of the US/Israel? Or can you rightfully now call it out for what it is: “bull shit” that never had anything to do with the invasion.
Hamas is oppressive and violent to gay people.
Iran uses state violence to suppress uprisings and in the process does not care if they kill innocent people.
These are true. But when they are repeated by the invading imperial force to justify their crimes THEY ARE BULL SHIT.
Hamas is oppressive and violent to gay people. Iran uses state violence to suppress uprisings and in the process does not care if they kill innocent people.
These are true. But when they are repeated by the invading imperial force to justify their crimes THEY ARE BULL SHIT. It doesn’t justify the war crimes that the US perpetrates.
You know what, we came to a point at which we both kind of agree. How about we leave it at that. Have a good one.
Let me know when you start repeating “Cuba is starving it’s citizens” as the US starts that invasion next. Or whatever bull shit reason they use to for it that people like you will just repeat over and over.
Sure and you let me know at what point it is okey to mention the child raping mullahs that murdered thousands of their own people that you are so valiantly defending here. And when it stops being okey to call the deaths of thousands of civilians bullshit.
It’s not about about mentioning it mate. It’s about WHO you are mentioning it for. You’re not mentioning it because you can help children. It’s literally only something you know about because the people that want to bomb those same children told you about it so they can do the bombings. Not sure how many times I have to say that.
Friend, again, it was you that mentioned the deaths of protesters and called it bullshit. Not me. Not sure how many times I have to say that. None of your comments serve any purpose either, so why are you writing them? And we know about the civilian deaths because of Iranians reporting them before the internet was turned off and not because it’s some baseless claim from the US. You are making a lot of effort to excuse your belittling of civilian deaths.
I’ll give it one more try. Because you are missing something fundamental and I think its why you keep repeating a position I don’t hold. You’re stuck on it.
Do you understand that I’m talking about forming my morality based on the material outcome of my actions? Let me know if you don’t understand this last sentence. It’s really important. Because you are stuck on idealism and judging my opinion based purely on the moral idea.
You seem to be stuck in thinking of morality as separate from the material world. That’s why you think I’m “belittling deaths” when I am not.
Maybe I can ask you a question to help you understand how I’m thinking. Because of you’re this deep into a conversation Id guess you’re tired of just saying “you are belittling deaths” over and over.
What is something I can reasonably do that will help the children you keep mentioning?
I care about the material outcomes of my actions. Not about being “considered moral” as an idea.
So, I, as someone that lives in the western world would like to know. What is something I can do? And, most importantly, what is the material outcome for the children in Iran based on that action.
An action can be something I physically go do. Or it can be as simple as an idea or position that I share with others.
Let me know. But try to keep it realistic. I am not capable of abandoning my family and going to Iran, etc. Maybe, use your own situation as a means to answer this question. What can YOU do? And what is the material outcome of your action?
Oh sure, I bet there is a hugely positive ‘material outcome’ from calling the death of people bullshit, but hey, whatever you have to tell yourself to justify a shitty opinion.
All you had to say was something like:
“My bad, should’ve worded it differently. I meant it doesn’t justify the war”
or something of the sort. At this point it would’ve been better to not say anything.
There is nothing to learn from this conversation lol, you’re spewing typical tankie bs. You think no one can criticise anything about nations that oppose the US.
Saying the death of thousands of civilians is bullshit, for whatever reasons, is just plain wrong, no matter who did the killing.
I would have ciriticised you for that regardless if the US invaded or not, it has nothing to do with that.
But hey, it’s your choice to die on that hill.
How is what you’re doing with “40k/20k protesters were killed” any different than the people that kept saying “Hamas throws gay people off of buildings” all throughout the Palestinian genocide.
I really want to know. You have the advantage of hindsight on the later one? Is that the only difference? Are you incapable of understanding something as “bull shit” until after the fact?
Or can you use your brain just a little bit to understand why I would call it “bull shit”?
After the crimes of Israel and the US reach the point of genocide did you keep saying: “Hamas actually does oppress gay people”. Or did you correctly understand that even the mention of this was “bull shit”.
“Iran really did kill some protesters”
Will you be repeating this as thousands more die and hundreds of thousands are displaced at the hand of the US/Israel? Or can you rightfully now call it out for what it is: “bull shit” that never had anything to do with the invasion.
Hamas is oppressive and violent to gay people. Iran uses state violence to suppress uprisings and in the process does not care if they kill innocent people.
These are true. But when they are repeated by the invading imperial force to justify their crimes THEY ARE BULL SHIT.
You know what, we came to a point at which we both kind of agree. How about we leave it at that. Have a good one.
Let me know when you start repeating “Cuba is starving it’s citizens” as the US starts that invasion next. Or whatever bull shit reason they use to for it that people like you will just repeat over and over.
Sure and you let me know at what point it is okey to mention the child raping mullahs that murdered thousands of their own people that you are so valiantly defending here. And when it stops being okey to call the deaths of thousands of civilians bullshit.
It’s not about about mentioning it mate. It’s about WHO you are mentioning it for. You’re not mentioning it because you can help children. It’s literally only something you know about because the people that want to bomb those same children told you about it so they can do the bombings. Not sure how many times I have to say that.
Friend, again, it was you that mentioned the deaths of protesters and called it bullshit. Not me. Not sure how many times I have to say that. None of your comments serve any purpose either, so why are you writing them? And we know about the civilian deaths because of Iranians reporting them before the internet was turned off and not because it’s some baseless claim from the US. You are making a lot of effort to excuse your belittling of civilian deaths.
I’ll give it one more try. Because you are missing something fundamental and I think its why you keep repeating a position I don’t hold. You’re stuck on it.
Do you understand that I’m talking about forming my morality based on the material outcome of my actions? Let me know if you don’t understand this last sentence. It’s really important. Because you are stuck on idealism and judging my opinion based purely on the moral idea.
You seem to be stuck in thinking of morality as separate from the material world. That’s why you think I’m “belittling deaths” when I am not.
Maybe I can ask you a question to help you understand how I’m thinking. Because of you’re this deep into a conversation Id guess you’re tired of just saying “you are belittling deaths” over and over.
What is something I can reasonably do that will help the children you keep mentioning?
I care about the material outcomes of my actions. Not about being “considered moral” as an idea.
So, I, as someone that lives in the western world would like to know. What is something I can do? And, most importantly, what is the material outcome for the children in Iran based on that action.
An action can be something I physically go do. Or it can be as simple as an idea or position that I share with others.
Let me know. But try to keep it realistic. I am not capable of abandoning my family and going to Iran, etc. Maybe, use your own situation as a means to answer this question. What can YOU do? And what is the material outcome of your action?
Oh sure, I bet there is a hugely positive ‘material outcome’ from calling the death of people bullshit, but hey, whatever you have to tell yourself to justify a shitty opinion.
All you had to say was something like:
“My bad, should’ve worded it differently. I meant it doesn’t justify the war”
or something of the sort. At this point it would’ve been better to not say anything.
But alas, here we are.