If you buy a home in which an HOA is already established, then yes, it’s required. And good luck finding a neighborhood where one isn’t already established. If you get a small enough town or cheap enough neighborhood, maybe.
The really shit part about HOAs is that most of the US NEEDS them. Most of the US has little to no zoning laws, and most of the suburbs are in unincorporated areas outside of the cities.
This means that without an HOA, there’s nothing stopping someone from buying the house next door and turning it into a business, methadone clinic, a literal salvage yard, crawfish farm, or gator zoo.
You live in a society. You only “own” property because enough of your neighbors agree that you do. Society gets together and agrees on the rules, and by being part of that society you agree to the rules. If you want to live somewhere with minimal rules, then go ahead and do it. Just don’t come crying to the rest of us when your new neighbor decides to do something that makes your land uninhabitable and worthless.
My neighbors have 0 rights to do what happens on my property.
This is the contention that drives the fallacy that we need strict zoning laws and HOA’s. In most places in the world that don’t have these kinds of strict rules, neighborhoods tend to follow community standards held by the community itself. You have markets and food vendors and small businesses mixed into your community which lets people socialize, walk around and meet each other and not have to drive everywhere for everything all the time.
You aren’t pounding on your “rights” as a homeowner there, you’re abiding by the sense of community and trying to be a part of something bigger than yourself so everyone is happy. This is why not everyone opens a scrapyard and why your neighbors aren’t worried you’re going to open a scrapyard, because there is a social pressure because people actually care.
In the US and other “developed” places, people are scared that their neighbors are going to stand on their “Rights” to do whatever the fuck they want because they don’t know their neighbors and their neighbors don’t care if they piss off everyone on the street by opening a crocodile petting zoo. Which is how we got HOA’s and laws that dictate what you can and can’t do on your property.
there’s nothing stopping someone from buying the house next door and turning it into a business, methadone clinic, a literal salvage yard, crawfish farm, or gator zoo.
You’re thinking of zoning laws, those are different.
HOA’s are concerned with what color your walls are, if you have trees of a certain size and shape, and aesthetics as well as minor upgrades and expansions to your home like fucking window shades and gazebos.
And I will also say the zoning laws are ALSO fascist and killing our sense of community. If you think without strict zoning laws your neighbors are going to open a fucking ZOO you haven’t left the country once. In many other countries, neighborhoods have markets, people walk around, they sell art or food from their porches, they talk to each other, they share their resources through private stalls, vendors and other small-scale entrepreneurial ventures. They don’t abuse their freedoms because they don’t want to be hated by their neighbors. Because they have COMMUNITY.
But I will give you this one small point: in the US our car-oriented culture makes it really, really hard to have any kind of residential space that doesn’t turn into a fucking parking lot overnight without regulations. This is because, again, we don’t have markets and jobs and entertainment in walking distance of most homes so you’re forced to drive everywhere.
So, you know nothing about zoning laws nor HOAs, but you still have very strong opinions on them…
And at the same time you have these incredibly naive beliefs about your fellow humans. Like somehow these institutions and systems of rules you despise sprung into existence not because of, but in spite of, these fellow humans you hold in such high esteem.
Like I told the other guy, there are plenty of places you can go to live without much in the way of law or other rules, you go on and enjoy them to your heart’s content, just don’t come crying to the rest of us when you realize what a hellish existence it is to live without laws or rules.
Just admit you’re scared of foreigners playing music you’re not comfortable with across the street and I’m cool.
I am pretty much done with people like you who are so bloody sensitive and scared of people they don’t like doing things they don’t want to see that they make it everyone’s problem, how about YOU go live in some backwoods rural shitwater place so you can fire shotguns at anyone who drives past your mailbox too slowly.
Go scream into the void about your rights, I’ve blocked you.
Blocked me? But I thought we were all part of a brotherhood of love where none could or would ever want to do wrong to each other.
It’s always interesting how “anarchists” like yourself love to preach about how great anarchy is right up until someone points out a fallacy in their logic and then they immediately flip to fascism and try to do everything in their power to silence the other person.
It’s almost like anarchists and the entire concept of anarchy is a complete red herring used by fascist to try to free themselves from the pesky rules that stop them from openly forcing people to do what they want.
Is it a requirement in the US to join the HOA?
If you buy a home in which an HOA is already established, then yes, it’s required. And good luck finding a neighborhood where one isn’t already established. If you get a small enough town or cheap enough neighborhood, maybe.
It’s funny that the ‘right to work’ exists to dismantle unions, but somehow no-one has thought of a ‘right to live’ to combat HOAs.
The really shit part about HOAs is that most of the US NEEDS them. Most of the US has little to no zoning laws, and most of the suburbs are in unincorporated areas outside of the cities. This means that without an HOA, there’s nothing stopping someone from buying the house next door and turning it into a business, methadone clinic, a literal salvage yard, crawfish farm, or gator zoo.
Who told you about my crawfish and gator salvage zoo and rehab?!
I’ve been keeping track of it, because of my deep guilt caused by the insane number of crawfish that I have damaged beyond the point of any salvage.
Also I like to get gators hooked on opioids.
WTF is wrong with that? My neighbors have 0 rights to do what happens on my property.
You live in a society. You only “own” property because enough of your neighbors agree that you do. Society gets together and agrees on the rules, and by being part of that society you agree to the rules. If you want to live somewhere with minimal rules, then go ahead and do it. Just don’t come crying to the rest of us when your new neighbor decides to do something that makes your land uninhabitable and worthless.
While you’re correct on this pushback…
This is the contention that drives the fallacy that we need strict zoning laws and HOA’s. In most places in the world that don’t have these kinds of strict rules, neighborhoods tend to follow community standards held by the community itself. You have markets and food vendors and small businesses mixed into your community which lets people socialize, walk around and meet each other and not have to drive everywhere for everything all the time.
You aren’t pounding on your “rights” as a homeowner there, you’re abiding by the sense of community and trying to be a part of something bigger than yourself so everyone is happy. This is why not everyone opens a scrapyard and why your neighbors aren’t worried you’re going to open a scrapyard, because there is a social pressure because people actually care.
In the US and other “developed” places, people are scared that their neighbors are going to stand on their “Rights” to do whatever the fuck they want because they don’t know their neighbors and their neighbors don’t care if they piss off everyone on the street by opening a crocodile petting zoo. Which is how we got HOA’s and laws that dictate what you can and can’t do on your property.
Fear. It’s all fear, all the way down.
Why exactly?
You’re thinking of zoning laws, those are different.
HOA’s are concerned with what color your walls are, if you have trees of a certain size and shape, and aesthetics as well as minor upgrades and expansions to your home like fucking window shades and gazebos.
And I will also say the zoning laws are ALSO fascist and killing our sense of community. If you think without strict zoning laws your neighbors are going to open a fucking ZOO you haven’t left the country once. In many other countries, neighborhoods have markets, people walk around, they sell art or food from their porches, they talk to each other, they share their resources through private stalls, vendors and other small-scale entrepreneurial ventures. They don’t abuse their freedoms because they don’t want to be hated by their neighbors. Because they have COMMUNITY.
But I will give you this one small point: in the US our car-oriented culture makes it really, really hard to have any kind of residential space that doesn’t turn into a fucking parking lot overnight without regulations. This is because, again, we don’t have markets and jobs and entertainment in walking distance of most homes so you’re forced to drive everywhere.
So, you know nothing about zoning laws nor HOAs, but you still have very strong opinions on them…
And at the same time you have these incredibly naive beliefs about your fellow humans. Like somehow these institutions and systems of rules you despise sprung into existence not because of, but in spite of, these fellow humans you hold in such high esteem.
Like I told the other guy, there are plenty of places you can go to live without much in the way of law or other rules, you go on and enjoy them to your heart’s content, just don’t come crying to the rest of us when you realize what a hellish existence it is to live without laws or rules.
Just admit you’re scared of foreigners playing music you’re not comfortable with across the street and I’m cool.
I am pretty much done with people like you who are so bloody sensitive and scared of people they don’t like doing things they don’t want to see that they make it everyone’s problem, how about YOU go live in some backwoods rural shitwater place so you can fire shotguns at anyone who drives past your mailbox too slowly.
Go scream into the void about your rights, I’ve blocked you.
Blocked me? But I thought we were all part of a brotherhood of love where none could or would ever want to do wrong to each other.
It’s always interesting how “anarchists” like yourself love to preach about how great anarchy is right up until someone points out a fallacy in their logic and then they immediately flip to fascism and try to do everything in their power to silence the other person.
It’s almost like anarchists and the entire concept of anarchy is a complete red herring used by fascist to try to free themselves from the pesky rules that stop them from openly forcing people to do what they want.
In many neighborhoods; yes.