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  • I don’t even understand what you are arguing any more because it seems to me that you are full of contradiction. On one hand it is the band of the front man band because “that is how it was”, but on the other hand you never said so. I say that there is more to a band than the front man, including the initial comment that Ozzy was recruited because others had the musical vision for it. You maintain the position that it is all the front man, giving example how you dislike what Black Sabbath became post Ozzy, disregarding that Ozzy would not be what he was without the band that brought him up to fame. When I presented a well known and here fact checked case of a front man vs “the band” controversy from close enough the same generation of rock music, you made up an alternative history about Rolling Stones and avoiding the topical discussion about the front man status.

    Hence the joke about the singer which I was fit because this would be the position that a singer would hold, though I agree it was unnecessary with the secondary comment of mine that came from frustration from the stated above.

    I don’t think it is a far leap though that the sum of this implies that the rest of the band members are irrelevant and replaceable, and my only argument is really that they are not and that it is a mistake to argue that they were because of how you subjectively may perceive or have perceived rock acts as audience back in the day.


  • It was a joke based on the stereotype of singers and their ego. There are plenty of other stereotypes about instrumentalists, such as bass players being simple, lead guitarrist that find everything else support for solos, drummers being brutes, keyboardists being music theorists and so on. I thought you’d recognize it but alas.

    But sure. You’re using hypotheticals for arguments that you think is proof when presented with historical evidence that the frontman was one job of the band and not the entire act. There isn’t really much to discuss against something like that. I could invent my own alternative history too. But why.

    And it’s not very nice to call the rest of the musicians in the band irrelevant and replaceable.

    Edit: clarifications




  • It was not “his band”. Although Ozzy was in Black Sabbath from the beginning, he was enlisted by Bill Ward and Tony Iommi together with Geezer Butler because as a drummer and a guitarist with a vision they needed bass and vocals with them.

    Ozzy was kicked out in 1979 and started his solo career in the shock rock tradition he is mostly known for. The idea that sparked Black Sabbath however was a heavier blues than ever heard before and that was Ward and Iommi.

    As you say, they were some of the originators of heavy metal. There is no single inventor of the genre. There never is. Culture is cross pollination and collaboration.