I think we enter the thought-universe at night when we dream. Still tethered to our flesh, but only partially. And when we die the tether is cut, we drift into large strange places and dream for a million years (if time is even a thing there)

But ya, we invaded this world through incarnation in bigbrained apes. Then forgot why we came.

(A brain, or the thoughts in it, is a pretty good physical simulation of our native land)

Ya I was thinking similarly. So I modify my theory from “great focus” to “great focus of a specific type” : focus on thoughts.

Oh right back at you

Give them a nice videogame or some porn. That’ll make their focus shine.

I don’t understand. Are we talking Poseidon?

So you’re thinking that boredom, and possibly abandonment of the project, is what delivered the insight? And too much focus would inhibit this revelation.

Hmm. Interesting point.

Hmmm. Good question. Because I’ve seen cats focus like crazy.

Maybe it isn’t focus so much as a certain locus of focus : thoughts. We’re really good at focusing on thoughts.

Focus is inherently reductive. I mean, your perspective shrinks.

Given a dozen things, focus on one. This ignores the other 11 and brings a great depth and clarity to your view of the one.

In the depth and clarity you see the one in greater detail. What was simple is now a complex. A new dozen things.

Now focus on one of those…

And so on. Shrinking smaller and smaller.

The ignored world disappears and is forgotten. How far have you come in this process? It’s a good question.

No doubt this “rightness sense” is universally applicable.

Given that it can function without axioms, could we say that it underlays reason?

Let me underline my point for you.

SETI seeks to communicate with extraterrestrials.

In The Matrix the extraterrestrials are found outside your dream-coffin.

So the SETI program becomes less “radio telescopes” and more “red pills”

Well then you must tell me how it works, and how what I said contradicts that.

The individual doesn’t need language tho. He can use subtler stuff. A society needs language to do science. That’s a huge difference.

People like you paint a target on your own back. It makes it so easy.

Alright thanks

Because it’s water.

You’d have to settle for close enough here. You might even drink from the same glass. Beyond that … until we invent telepathy.

With a bit of careful effort we can improve the process.

In fields where communication matters more we have several methods for that.

Get a glass of water and taste it. It tastes like that.

You could stand next to the guy while you both look at the relevant thing. That’s a pretty good way.

Another way would be to use the same method for looking at the relevant thing. Let’s call it “an experimental method”. Because it delivers an experience.

Makes sense. If we try, if we are careful, the quality of our communication can be vastly improved.

In my own particular field I often first try to ensure that all participants in the conversation share the same experience.

I agree. And criteria for the moderators too of course.