Fushuan [he/him]

I highly doubt that they are using the “use” meaning of exploitation. Pretty sure they mean the “abuse” meaning, where consent takes a big part. In any case, I’m not that invested in the topic so if you think otherwise let’s agree to disagree.

And humans are animals yet human breast milk is considered vegan. It’s about consent and exploitation tbh.

I don’t think so, artificial beehives are barely a protected box with compartments queen bees are put in, but there’s plenty beehives in the widl too. The reason I quoted captivity in that comment is that those bees go out as far as several kilometres to gather and polinize the flora around them. They could very much find some tree to use as a beehive and keep going out as much.

The reason against the veganism of honey is that it’s technically not consensual, and that the smoke they are thrown to calm themselves so that the humans can take the combs is mistreatment. I mean, I guess? But that’s such a low bar that I don’t subscribe to that, you do you.

In any case I’m not expert, you should do your research to get the most accurate info.

The argument is that bees overproduce naturally and you barely disturb them to take the combs that are done before they rot (the combs not the honey, honey basically never rots), so you are not harming them in any meaningful way.

Bees found in nature still overproduce, so bees in “captivity” are just given free range in a field of flowers. Technically the queen bee and all the colony could fly away but they don’t because why would they.

Vegan cheese done with coconut oil is pretty decent, way better that the wet sponge texture that beyond has.