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I’m sorry to hear that but I don’t understand what that has to do with this conversation?

Brother, stop making up nonsense hypothetical scenarios, and just look at the science and the conventional wisdom developed over hundreds of years of study.

I don’t know why. The point is that they can and do.

if you keep your bike on the edge of the road, you significantly reduce your chances of getting run over by an idiot.

Quite the opposite. This has been statistically verified many times. You can verify the verification with a simple web search, if you really want to know.

Middle of the lane? Why? Like seriously why?

I just finished explaining why in the comment you just replied to.

ain’t gonna see you…

What makes you think you’re any more visible on the white line?

Umm, edit for the downvoters…Where else would you have me ride?

In the middle of the lane. Vehicles are more likely to hit you while trying to squeeze past you. Don’t let them.

I’ll stick with the tactic that’s kept me alive all this time

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias

You should actually watch the video, because the entire thing is about cyclists advocating against bike lanes.

Why the hell would anyone want to literally ride a bicycle right in car traffic?

Ask them next time you see them riding down the road right next to the bike lane.

No, all of my points are “I experience this on a regular basis and you are lying”. All of your points are strawmanning about how raincoats repel water while ignoring that they’re hot as fuck, and how videos of a handful of people riding bikes in the rain in a city with limited car infrastructure disproves that it’s uncomfortable, and you continually ignore mind-numbingly obvious evidence to the contrary.

Shade doesn’t immediately make it not >100F with 90%+ humidity. Removing pavement doesn’t remove all of the heat either, not to mention it turns the ground to mush at the first sign of precipitation. Everyone does not sweat the same. A coat doesn’t suddenly make it warm and cozy when it’s 17F outside. Having to plan your day and your clothing around the weather is going to impact your life. Only being outside for a half an hour doesn’t suddenly mean you’re immune to being impacted by the weather.

There is nowhere to go from here, because you’re obviously not interested in an honest discussion or you would actually engage with my points instead of just repeating the same nonsense over and over.

I’ve got two that are perfectly comfortable

None of them are “perfectly comfortable” when it’s >100*F outside with 90% humidity. I don’t understand why you completely glossed over this part of the comment except to strawman.

The city I live in I don’t have to spend more than 5 mins under sunlight or rain for each hour of commuting

I’ve never seen that anywhere.

car dependent infrastructure, such as roads and parking lots, are massive heat sinks that absorb massive amounts of solar energy and continuously radiate it as thermal energy

I am aware of the urban heat island effect. It’s still very fucking hot and uncomfortable riding MTB on dirt. And that’s completely ignoring the idea of just, removing all of the pavement from the city?

The statistical analysis I’m referring to is looking at a city with bad weather such as Oslo which the video referred to. Confirming for yourself what the weather is like there, cold and often snowy. And then checking with commuter statistics to see that yes despite the conditions, it doesn’t affect how people commute.

This is exactly the kind of nonsense I’m talking about. Showing images of people riding bikes and then going “see, no one cares about the weather!” is completely proposterous, and, dare I say, lazy. Because there are actually people in those same videos in their cars. And certainly many of them would prefer to not be outside, given the option.

I would love to see statistics that show that no one cares about how cold it is when they’re outside. Because that makes absolutely no sense. People in my area already complain about the cold when commuting in their cars. Even if it did, it completely ignores hot and humid/rainy.

I’m not lying to you…the weather doesn’t matter, your city just isn’t designed to handle it

I don’t believe you. You’ve yet to explain how the city can be designed to protect you from hot or cold.

Yeah it doesn’t, just dress for the occasion.

1. “dressing for the occasion” is an impact in itself.

2. If you dress for rain and it’s hot, you’re gonna have a really bad time. There’s no way to keep air flowing in and water out.

When a city is designed to be habitable for people instead of traversable by cars these problems you’re scared of don’t exist.

These problems have absolutely nothing to do with transit. They have to do with weather. No amount of “habitable city” is going to turn down/up the temperature or make it stop raining.

If you think I’m lying to you for some reason have a look at the statistics.

What kind of statistics do you think are going to disprove the fucking weather? Or my lived experiences sweating my fucking balls off?

notably the weather is much worse where I live now; hasn’t made an impact at all.

How could that possibly be true? Getting dumped on with rain has no impact ? Freezing your balls off has no impact ? Overheating to the point of near-death has no impact ? You’re just lying.

You don’t know how bad it is and how good it can be until you’ve experienced it.

I experience it all the time. Mostly recreationally. It fuckin sucks. Especially the heat and the humidity (often from rain or post-rain).

I mean touché but the point is it’s extremely uncomfortable, on a daily basis, for several hours/day. And you arrive at work sopping wet from sweat or rain or both and stinking to high hell.

Sorry, bikes are cool. I like the idea of microcars better. But really I like the idea of 25MPH speed limits even better. Drive whatever you want, just do it slowly and safely, and while polluting so much less.

It’s “lazy” not to want to ride in the rain, hot and cold weather?

Just because some people are okay with it doesn’t mean everyone is. People die in hot and cold weather where I live.