Just them. I wasn’t really arguing for or against subsidies though, just the absurdity of it being called out so often when Tesla et al got subsidised too. You can split hairs all you like on the nature of those subsidies, but they absolutely did get them. They also didn’t have to give up a share of the company to get them, unlike all the Chinese automakers, but again that’s another complex issue.

Nope. Buyer and sell side. Federal interest free loan, state business tax credits etc - they got 200 million pounds in grants in the UK alone. Buyer side was on top. Hell they lied about sales in Canada to try and claw in undeserved subsidies before the programme closed.

Always amused at the “Subsidised” cracks with the Chinese automakers like Tesla wasn’t subsidised up the wazoo. It’s like the only crime is passing on the saving. Not saying you are doing that here, but it’s odd it comes up so much.