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Cake day: June 13th, 2023

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  • They would have to, and they would.

    This is an appeal to common decency fallacy. No one is forced to do something because it is decent. Israel is proof of that with it’s indecent attacks on civilians. The evidence we have indicates Israel’s governments wants to be at war to maintain its grip on power. They are actively ignoring a proposal that is effectively equivalent to one they already agreed to previously.

    My suspicion is that Israel only agreed thinking Hamas would not. Now that Hamas has agreed to it Israel is in an awkward spot. And no doubt Israel would be even more mask off if Hamas blatantly surrendered.

    so angry and attacking of Israel.

    Because your argument is a collection of fallacies and genocide apologia. And it’s not the first time it’s been trotted out. Hamas isn’t the organization bombing Gaza right now. And sure Hamas definitely wanted this to happen, but that doesn’t excuse Israel’s disregard of international law and human decency.

    You react vehemently against the notion that Hamas should surrender

    The idea that Israel would cease attacking civilians if Hamas surrendered is false based on the evidence of a genocide being live streamed to our phones. For Israel, the genocide is the goal. Netanyahu wants to form a greater Israel and deny Palestinian statehood.

    There is no justification for attacking civilians. Calling Palestinians human shields is not a valid legal or moral argument, it is a dehumanization tactic. The fact that Israel is at war with Hamas doesn’t matter. If Israel would follow international law this would end today. If Israel would acknowledge their shared humanity with the Palestinians this would end today.

    Israel is the one bombing civilians. If Israel would stop bombing civilians this would end today. edit: typos


  • If the Israelis who fought in the 1948 Arab-Israeli War were 18 in 1948 that would make them 77 years older or 95 years old. This is like Israel hunting down the Nazis on their death bed. At some point most of these people died of old age. It’s going to be the odd centenarian who faces justice in 2030.

    I am not a Nazi or a Zionist. I do not seek the total extermination of groups of people. This has no appeal to me. Put whoever in jail or prison that deserves it but you will likely be transferring them to a hospital and then a morgue shortly after.

    Here is the current list of centenarians now as an example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_living_centenarians

    Searching by Israeli I get seven matches:

    • Dutch-Israeli | Holocaust survivor[11]
    • Israeli | Air Force major general[68]
    • German-born British-Israeli | Journalist, actor, businessman and Holocaust survivor[180]
    • Israeli | Military official and expert[222]
    • Ukrainian-Israeli | Olympic fencer[262]
    • Israeli | Nuclear physicist[277]
    • Polish-born Israeli | War veteran[306]

    Unless you speak some of these languages I recommend the language translator option that should appear in the top right of your browser’s search bar.

    Are we arresting the Polish guy who fought in the Warsaw Uprising of 1944 against the Nazis? He also fought in the 1948 Arab-Israeli War against Arabs.

    https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-853294

    Looks like the Major General and the Air Force Commander would fit squarely into the kind of people you would want in the Hauge.

    There’s also the Dutch-Israeli woman who is a holocaust survivor to consider.

    https://nos.nl/artikel/2538252-107-jarige-holocaustoverlevende-krijgt-amsterdamse-andreaspenning

    And the British-Israeli holocaust survivor who rescued soldiers from the Battle of Normandy and is the oldest active journalist. But his quote about October 7th, published on January 7th, 2024 hasn’t aged well.

    “I’ve always felt a deep connection to the Jewish people and our homeland. I value the moments I’ve spent fighting against tyranny and promoting the truth through journalism. I could never have imagined that at the age of 100 I would be a witness to the horrific pogrom against Jews that took place on October 7 and the terrifying resurgence of antisemitism since. As I celebrate today, I also pray for the future of the State of Israel and the Jewish people.”

    Probably seemed like a reasonable statement a few months after October 7th.

    https://www.jwire.com.au/walter-bingham-kindertransport-survivor-celebrates-100th-birthday/

    There is the Ukrainian Israeli Olympic fencer

    A man who survived the Battle of Stalingrad and the Chernobyl disaster.

    Источник: https://www.sovsport.ru/chronicles/articles/segodnya-istoricheskij-den-starejshemu-otechestvennomu-olimpijczu-100-let

    (The site can copy the link when you paste a quote. Cool.)

    And here’s a softball, the Israeli nuclear physicist was in the Palmach. Easy Hague material.

    Those are the seven who are 100 or older now. Is this something people are seriously interested engaging in for people younger than that who would now be in their nineties? Or does this context not even matter and people want these people in prison regardless? And is prison good enough or do people want blood? Punishing these people in any capacity won’t undermine Zionism. There is no utility in such an endeavor if the goal is defeating Zionism, an ideology.

    Also, since I identified seven Jewish centenarians which comes off as a sus thing to do and some people like saying things that start off with ‘If you were a Jew’, I’m a Russian-Jewish American and undoubtedly a mix of European ethnic groups as I am pasty white, but not an Israeli. edit: typo



  • ‘Do you condemn Hamas?’ is a meme at this point. No one is taking that far-right talking point seriously.

    Your argument is using a motte-and-bailey fallacy. It begins by solely blaming Hamas for the continuation of the war for not surrendering when it is quite clear that Israel has no intention of accepting such a surrender. Israel is actively ignoring a ceasefire proposal they previously agreed to right now.

    Then when pressed your argument retreats to asserting most people refuse to put partial blame on Hamas. I condemn Hamas. A majority of people on here do. No one is interested in wasting their time saying that. ‘Do you condemn Hamas’ has been done quite a bit at this point. There’s nothing weird about not taking your genocide apologia seriously.