European. Contrarian liberal. Insufferable green. History graduate. I never downvote opinions and I do not engage with people who downvote mine. Low-effort comments with vulgarity or snark will also be (politely) ignored.
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JubilantJaguar@lemmy.worldto Showerthoughts@lemmy.world•Punishment for financial crimes should be proportionate to the average yearly income.0·9 months agoNot sure what Title VII is. I’m saying that non-restorative punishment is basically useless to everything and everyone except the party inflicting it. And it may not even be useful for them (if, for example, they were earnestly following New Testament Christian principles).
I think we would all do well to consider this fact. Punishment in the form of retribution (which is usually what people mean by punishment) is just not effective at solving problems.
JubilantJaguar@lemmy.worldto Showerthoughts@lemmy.world•Punishment for financial crimes should be proportionate to the average yearly income.0·9 months agoPunishing people at all has solved many problems though
Examples please.
JubilantJaguar@lemmy.worldto Showerthoughts@lemmy.world•Punishment for financial crimes should be proportionate to the average yearly income.0·9 months agoPunishing people harder has never in human history actually solved a problem.
Murder is not too difficult: you lock 'em up on the grounds of protecting society, since this was premeditated violence and they might do it again.
Accidental homicide is where it gets tricky. Obviously someone who runs over a child by accident is going to jail. The usual constructive justification is that this “an expression of society’s outrage”, or similar. There’s truth in that. But the real, underlying, motive is surely to inflict suffering on the perpetrator as they inflicted it on their victim - in this case, completely unintentionally. My point is that it’s not constructive, it doesn’t solve anything except add misery to misery. And it’s hypocrisy, because we all know, deep down, that retaliation is about us, not them, but we won’t admit it. I hate hypocrisy.
I once got badly injured in a road accident entirely caused by someone else’s gross negligence. There were no witnesses and they got off by brazenly lying about what happened. Did I hate them? Yeah, a bit. But then the lying was rational and I might well have done the same in their place. They wanted to escape punishment, which after all serves no purpose to anyone. Did I even want them to go to jail? Actually, no. I would have accepted a sincere apology and some symbolic act of making amends. A day of community service, perhaps. But our system is not set up like that. I think it’s a shame.