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That day I took my bike on the bus from Federal Way, so I didn’t ride in the city that time, but look at the shoulder width in Bellevue., you get 30cm (1ft) of space on the shoulder. If you ride on the side here, you will be treated by drivers the same as a garbabe bin out on collection day.
Maybe your local government takes care of your suburban, exurban and rural arterial roads to a point they are pristine enough and there’s plenty of space for you to bike on the side. I’m happy for you then, but don’t put the failures of infrastructure on the individual.
In my area, some roads only have like 3 inches of pavement past the white line. Yes, it can be scary as fuck, but when there’s no bike path, where else to ride?
Yes, it really can be scary riding the ~6 inches on the edge of the road, definitely not saying that’s ideal, it most certainly isn’t. But with no other option on some roads, I’d rather ride the white line than ride in the middle of traffic.
but when there’s no bike path, where else to ride?
That’s in the vehicle lane, which is the point I’m making here. It’s better to be in people’s direct line of vision. If they were distracted on their phone and couldn’t see you in the middle of the road, they won’t see you on the shoulder.
I’m trying my best not to antagonize you for your choices. Ride however you feel safest and comfortable. Riding in the road isn’t safe for everyone, and riding on the shoulder or sidewalk is safer depending on your bike, what your roads look like, and the local rules. Often times like you say there’s no ideal option. All I ask is you don’t chastise other people just for making assessments for what is the safest option in their circumstances, based on your own generalized assessment.
You’re absolutely right about that, it totally depends on the area (and my own knuckleheadedness). Of course I want all riders to be safe, I just don’t see how riding in the middle of the lane is in any way safe, brakes, reflectors, etc or not.
I guess part of my side has to do with the drivers down my way. I always assume whatever vehicle behind me might not be paying attention and might be going 88MPH trying to travel through time. I just ain’t trying to be in their way…
https://maps.app.goo.gl/a8Ej4VfeCkTLFJ7TA?g_st=ac South Hill, WA, USA where I biked last year.
Even closer to town where the shoulder lane ‘looks clear’, you can clearly see the difference in road condition where it looks coated in a layer of sand/gravel within which glass pieces can conceal themselves. and swerving into car lanes to avoid larger obstacles is even more dangerous, anyway.
That day I took my bike on the bus from Federal Way, so I didn’t ride in the city that time, but look at the shoulder width in Bellevue., you get 30cm (1ft) of space on the shoulder. If you ride on the side here, you will be treated by drivers the same as a garbabe bin out on collection day.
Maybe your local government takes care of your suburban, exurban and rural arterial roads to a point they are pristine enough and there’s plenty of space for you to bike on the side. I’m happy for you then, but don’t put the failures of infrastructure on the individual.
Wow, you got lots of riding space there!
In my area, some roads only have like 3 inches of pavement past the white line. Yes, it can be scary as fuck, but when there’s no bike path, where else to ride?
Yes, it really can be scary riding the ~6 inches on the edge of the road, definitely not saying that’s ideal, it most certainly isn’t. But with no other option on some roads, I’d rather ride the white line than ride in the middle of traffic.
That’s in the vehicle lane, which is the point I’m making here. It’s better to be in people’s direct line of vision. If they were distracted on their phone and couldn’t see you in the middle of the road, they won’t see you on the shoulder.
I’m trying my best not to antagonize you for your choices. Ride however you feel safest and comfortable. Riding in the road isn’t safe for everyone, and riding on the shoulder or sidewalk is safer depending on your bike, what your roads look like, and the local rules. Often times like you say there’s no ideal option. All I ask is you don’t chastise other people just for making assessments for what is the safest option in their circumstances, based on your own generalized assessment.
You’re absolutely right about that, it totally depends on the area (and my own knuckleheadedness). Of course I want all riders to be safe, I just don’t see how riding in the middle of the lane is in any way safe, brakes, reflectors, etc or not.
I guess part of my side has to do with the drivers down my way. I always assume whatever vehicle behind me might not be paying attention and might be going 88MPH trying to travel through time. I just ain’t trying to be in their way…