cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/33764798

July 20, 2025

[translation of an article published on July 15, 2025, on the website of the Presidency of the Cuban government.]

  • rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works
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    23 hours ago

    How?

    And I think you mean equity. Equality doesn’t bring the downtrodden up.

    edit: and fuck you too. Just answer the question: How? How does a probably violent revolution produce equity for the masses without a free market? HOW?

    • ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net
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      16 hours ago

      It doesn’t have to be violent. We could just collectively decide to ban capitalist corporations in favor of all businesses being worker owned cooperatives. That would get you pretty far towards a more equal and fair society.

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        35 minutes ago

        Sure, “we” could but then the corporation would be violent. They would get governments to be violent for them. See: The Banana Wars.

        Besides, market economies are the best way to lift the most people out of the dirt. Should it be all Amazon and Tesla and GE? I don’t think so. I’m one of those shitlibs who thinks there’s a balanced way to do this without a command economy, without feudalism and without some dystopian corpo-government marriage like we have now.

        Like the USA’s Progressive movement at the turn of last century. Shit was NOT good and they did get some things fixed.

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          7 minutes ago

          The New Deal ultimately was a band-aid to prevent a violent revolution from taking place, a desperate plea from Roosevelt to the rich to ease off before the top blows (and even then, the rich were pissed off enough by that to try for a coup attempt).

          WWII and strong unions caused those changes to stick for a time, but the problem is history has shown us that with capitalism, it’s only ever temporary relief. Eventually the rich simply can’t take it anymore, and they plot against the common man with renewed vigor. They finally got the ball rolling for their benefit in the 70’s, and its been a steady decline since then, as they spread doubt, bust unions, bribe politicians who are all too willing to help for a pitiful amount of money or a free camper. Then when the rock is almost entirely milked, as it is now, and as it was back in the gilded age, instead of letting up, they squeeze harder.

          You would prefer another New Deal, another breather for the working class where the rich capitulate and give up a slightly smaller piece of the pie again, and let us live a little better for a few more decades.

          Problem is, the world wasn’t on the brink of climate collapse in the 1930’s. A repeat of that solution, for capitalism to be reigned in, but still relying on infinite growth to survive, simply isn’t compatible with a livable biosphere for 10 billion people. If we try another New Deal reset, we’ll simply make the lives of the working class in first world countries a little easier while the equator burns, and the poor die en-masse as they migrate and struggle for water.

          Authoritarian communism certainly isn’t the answer, history has proven that time and time again. But if we’re to survive, capitalism must end soon, that much is assured.

          Anarchism has shown the most promise in history before being quashed by the authoritarians. The rich and powerful will fight it violently, but if enough people come together and resist through merely withholding our labor, we could implement it mostly peacefully, and once that genie is out of the bottle, I very much doubt most people would prefer to go back to capitalism (I’d highly recommend reading The Dispossessed by Ursula LeGuin, to get an idea of what that sort of future could look like).

          Whether or not markets in some form exist is another matter, and one that would need to be experimented with, but basic essentials to life should be free to anyone. Markets could exist for non-essentials.