A little bit of deflation is a product of, and good for, economic growth. But, in the case of an economy-wide, central bank-fueled debt bubble followed by debt deflation when the bubble bursts, rapidly falling prices can go hand-in-hand with a financial crisis and recession.
Deflation isn’t bad. It is a symptom that occurs after an economy-wide, central bank-fueled debt bubble. That’s the bad part. The debt that’s not being repaid.
This takes us right back to the start of the discussion. In a crypto economy a central bank doesn’t even exist, so crypto deflation is never bad.
If you are expecting $100 and are only going to get back $50, are you happy that your purchasing power has increased and you are really getting $51 back, or are you angry that you’ve actually lost $49.
Also LOL at the change in value being $1. Bitcoin is finite, permanently, forever. 100 years from now, 1000 years from now, bitcoin will continue to deflate year after year. At least gold can be mined, although at some point we will have extracted it all. The 2% deflation in your example is an absurd underestimation. Percentages in the hundreds to thousands is more realistic.
Deflationary currency is a great way to kill an economy, there’s no motivation to invest and accept any risk when all you have to do to increase your wealth dramatically is wait, risk free. Economic activity comes to a grinding halt.
bitcoin will continue to deflate year after year. At least gold can be mined.
You know bitcoiners will still be mining for over 100 more years.
there’s no motivation to invest and accept any risk when all you have to do to increase your wealth dramatically is wait, risk free.
Another lazy myth regurgitated. You were obviously an exam crammer, not a thinker.
People choose more over less. They will still invest in risk free bonds paying an interest rate because they will end up with more money. They will still invest in risky assets for the same reason if there were no deflation. More money.
You know bitcoiners will still be mining for over 100 more years.
Technically “mining” does not end because there will always need to be more blocks if there are new transactions. Minting new coins that get awarded to miners is what ends in a bit over 100 years. And then what happens? My point stands.
Another lazy myth regurgitated. You were obviously an exam crammer, not a thinker.
It’s fact. You can’t even refute it besides desperate name calling and just stating the opposite. 😂 Sorry that reality isn’t fun for you.
When your system entirely hinges on people not considering risk… 🤣 denying that risk is a factor in risk-reward calculus because “PeOpLe WaNt MoRe” is totally convincing, big winner of an argument. They want more, and they can get more… by doing absolutely nothing… so that’s exactly what they’ll do to get the more they want. They could get more by robbing a bank or selling their kidney!!! Oh wait, that’s right, risk… 🤦
I’m not calling you names. I’m saying you have demonstrated no ability to think independently. I don’t think you are a LLM but likely you are copy pasting from one.
You can’t even refute it
I did. You seem unable to process the responses I write or even the links you post.
When your system entirely hinges on people not considering risk.
I wrote the opposite. That under deflation people will still make risky investments because it will make them money. Yet again you demonstrate an inability to comprehend.
They want more, and they can get more… by doing absolutely nothing…
Ah yes, accusing one of using an LLM, a sure sign of winning the argument 🤣
Money invested earns deflation + interest.
That’s incorrect, money LOANED earns deflation + interest, not money invested. Money invested loses out on the deflation.
You have 1BTC. You exchange the 1BTC for 1 unit of an investment. As BTC deflates, it’s buying power increases. When you go to sell your investment, you find that 1BTC still buys 1 unit of the investment, even though your investment grew in value during the same period of time. You could have done nothing to get the same result, without risking the volatile investment losing value instead of gaining. The higher the return needed to outpace deflation, the riskier the investment needs to be. Deflation worked against the investment, not with it.
Inflationary currency motivates investment and consumption. When your money is going to lose some value anyway, you might as well take a risk and invest it for a potential reward. You might as well make that large purchase today, because your money will buy a little less tomorrow. This is healthy for the economy.
You are correct that deflation adds on top of interest, which makes loans more expensive. This stifles an economy by decreasing demand/consumption and the flow of money through the economy. When loans are more expensive to pay back, people are discouraged from taking a business loan and starting a new business or taking out a loan and investing it or using it to make a large purchase.
I think we’ve reached your limits in this topic.
Lol I’m literally giving you a free education. You should be paying me for this. It’s something that you’re still responding after your argument has been torn to shreds with my every reply, without fail. The name calling and LLM accusations creep in as you start to realize you’re wrong and desperately cling to denial. The cracks are already showing lol. Getting tired of trying to spin inconsistencies? Like I said, it’s effortless to just be correct.
In order to loan out money and charge interest, someone needs to agree to the terms on the other side of the exchange.
Agreed.
When there is inflation a higher amount of interest is accepted by the lender to compensate this loss.
When there is deflation a lower amount of interest is accepted by the lender.
The economy doesn’t grind to a halt. People don’t horde cash. Consumption still occurs. Services are still performed.
Even if deflation means the value of money increases every year, people will still lend out their money because they would like to have more than money than if they did nothing.
find that 1BTC still buys 1 unit of the investment instrument, even though your investment grew in value during the same period of time.
So you made a bad investment in something that wasn’t needed. Invest more wisely. This is basic economics.
It’s impressive that you’re still responding after your argument has been torn to shreds
It’s good practice and helps hone my ideas.
Deflation is the answer to the infinite growth required by capitalism. It should be embraced, not avoided.
Dude. Read what you post.
Deflation isn’t bad. It is a symptom that occurs after an economy-wide, central bank-fueled debt bubble. That’s the bad part. The debt that’s not being repaid.
This takes us right back to the start of the discussion. In a crypto economy a central bank doesn’t even exist, so crypto deflation is never bad.
Does deflation make debt easier or harder to repay? 🤔🤔🤔🤔
😂😂😂😂
If you are expecting $100 and are only going to get back $50, are you happy that your purchasing power has increased and you are really getting $51 back, or are you angry that you’ve actually lost $49.
The crisis is the default, not the deflation.
That’s not an economy.
Also LOL at the change in value being $1. Bitcoin is finite, permanently, forever. 100 years from now, 1000 years from now, bitcoin will continue to deflate year after year. At least gold can be mined, although at some point we will have extracted it all. The 2% deflation in your example is an absurd underestimation. Percentages in the hundreds to thousands is more realistic.
Deflationary currency is a great way to kill an economy, there’s no motivation to invest and accept any risk when all you have to do to increase your wealth dramatically is wait, risk free. Economic activity comes to a grinding halt.
You know bitcoiners will still be mining for over 100 more years.
Another lazy myth regurgitated. You were obviously an exam crammer, not a thinker.
People choose more over less. They will still invest in risk free bonds paying an interest rate because they will end up with more money. They will still invest in risky assets for the same reason if there were no deflation. More money.
Technically “mining” does not end because there will always need to be more blocks if there are new transactions. Minting new coins that get awarded to miners is what ends in a bit over 100 years. And then what happens? My point stands.
It’s fact. You can’t even refute it besides desperate name calling and just stating the opposite. 😂 Sorry that reality isn’t fun for you.
When your system entirely hinges on people not considering risk… 🤣 denying that risk is a factor in risk-reward calculus because “PeOpLe WaNt MoRe” is totally convincing, big winner of an argument. They want more, and they can get more… by doing absolutely nothing… so that’s exactly what they’ll do to get the more they want. They could get more by robbing a bank or selling their kidney!!! Oh wait, that’s right, risk… 🤦
I’m not calling you names. I’m saying you have demonstrated no ability to think independently. I don’t think you are a LLM but likely you are copy pasting from one.
I did. You seem unable to process the responses I write or even the links you post.
I wrote the opposite. That under deflation people will still make risky investments because it will make them money. Yet again you demonstrate an inability to comprehend.
Money under the mattress earns deflation
Money invested earns deflation + interest.
The second is more than the first.
I think we’ve reached your limits in this topic.
Ah yes, accusing one of using an LLM, a sure sign of winning the argument 🤣
That’s incorrect, money LOANED earns deflation + interest, not money invested. Money invested loses out on the deflation.
You have 1BTC. You exchange the 1BTC for 1 unit of an investment. As BTC deflates, it’s buying power increases. When you go to sell your investment, you find that 1BTC still buys 1 unit of the investment, even though your investment grew in value during the same period of time. You could have done nothing to get the same result, without risking the volatile investment losing value instead of gaining. The higher the return needed to outpace deflation, the riskier the investment needs to be. Deflation worked against the investment, not with it.
Inflationary currency motivates investment and consumption. When your money is going to lose some value anyway, you might as well take a risk and invest it for a potential reward. You might as well make that large purchase today, because your money will buy a little less tomorrow. This is healthy for the economy.
You are correct that deflation adds on top of interest, which makes loans more expensive. This stifles an economy by decreasing demand/consumption and the flow of money through the economy. When loans are more expensive to pay back, people are discouraged from taking a business loan and starting a new business or taking out a loan and investing it or using it to make a large purchase.
Lol I’m literally giving you a free education. You should be paying me for this. It’s something that you’re still responding after your argument has been torn to shreds with my every reply, without fail. The name calling and LLM accusations creep in as you start to realize you’re wrong and desperately cling to denial. The cracks are already showing lol. Getting tired of trying to spin inconsistencies? Like I said, it’s effortless to just be correct.
Agreed.
When there is inflation a higher amount of interest is accepted by the lender to compensate this loss.
When there is deflation a lower amount of interest is accepted by the lender.
The economy doesn’t grind to a halt. People don’t horde cash. Consumption still occurs. Services are still performed.
Even if deflation means the value of money increases every year, people will still lend out their money because they would like to have more than money than if they did nothing.
So you made a bad investment in something that wasn’t needed. Invest more wisely. This is basic economics.
It’s good practice and helps hone my ideas.
Deflation is the answer to the infinite growth required by capitalism. It should be embraced, not avoided.