Why can’t porn be art? You say “typically,” but what are your feelings?
Porn can be art, but typically it isn’t, and typically when it is it’s called “erotica” or “erotic art”. There’s a distinction you apparently don’t want to talk about, even though you started trying to make an argument about what constituted art.
Weird that you started off saying “you must understand what art is” but now are reluctant to talk about it, even though your conception of it obviously differs greatly from mainstream definitions.
Here’s what I think. I think the vast majority of visual content we interact with is pretty emotionally empty. It’s product packaging, advertising, memes, yes even superhero cinematic universe shlock written to a formula. I think using AI in that area cheats no-one out of anything, and I think that people will always find an artistic outlet for their emotions if that’s what they want. My partner paints as a hobby and I haven’t heard them saying they’re not going to bother because of AI.
Do you mean to imply that if someone took a photograph and pretended to have painted it, that this wouldn’t piss a lot of people off? I think it would.
Art comes from the conscious. Porn comes from the conscious. What distinction are you talking about?
‘Erotica’ is either another word for the same thing, or it’s the “high brow” version women can clink their wine glasses over. I don’t understand what trap has been laid before me.
“you must understand what art is” but now are reluctant to talk about it, …
What I am deliberately avoiding, The Riddler, is a stupid debate over some exact definition whereby you claim this thing doesn’t count, and then I say “the word ‘is’ in this context means,” and then you ironically call me pedantic, and we waste 14 hours intellectually jerking off.
Like, it’s way easier to just say that you are one of the vampire’s familiars trying to trick me with lies. Like, uh … like a lawyer. You know.
I think using AI in that area cheats no-one out of anything,
I will note, this is not an argument in favor of AI. This is just clinical “given up” disease. I think they call that cynicism.
I mean, I personally wouldn’t lose anything; I don’t watch Marvel. You don’t think they’re funny, though? I’m not gonna say I like them, but I’ve almost always laughed.
“Can be, but typically isn’t” isn’t strict in any sense. It’s the opposite of strict, by admitting more than one possibility. We’re still no closer to understanding what it is you think constitutes art, so we can’t have a proper discussion about how, if at all, non-AI generated art fails to be art in that sense, and whether that’s important.
Asking people what they mean by the words the say - especially when it’s a word like art which is literally memed on for being the source of endless debates regarding its nature and definition - is not some kind of juvenile trap; it’s a pre-requisite for having a productive conversation on the subject.
I will note, this is not an argument in favor of AI. This is just clinical “given up” disease. I think they call that cynicism.
The argument in favour is that people want to do it, so just let them get on with it. Simple.
Porn can be art, but typically it isn’t, and typically when it is it’s called “erotica” or “erotic art”. There’s a distinction you apparently don’t want to talk about, even though you started trying to make an argument about what constituted art.
Weird that you started off saying “you must understand what art is” but now are reluctant to talk about it, even though your conception of it obviously differs greatly from mainstream definitions.
Here’s what I think. I think the vast majority of visual content we interact with is pretty emotionally empty. It’s product packaging, advertising, memes, yes even superhero cinematic universe shlock written to a formula. I think using AI in that area cheats no-one out of anything, and I think that people will always find an artistic outlet for their emotions if that’s what they want. My partner paints as a hobby and I haven’t heard them saying they’re not going to bother because of AI.
Is your problem AI art or is it lying about art?
Wow, you’ve really thought hard about this.
This is a very strict world view you have.
Art comes from the conscious. Porn comes from the conscious. What distinction are you talking about?
‘Erotica’ is either another word for the same thing, or it’s the “high brow” version women can clink their wine glasses over. I don’t understand what trap has been laid before me.
What I am deliberately avoiding, The Riddler, is a stupid debate over some exact definition whereby you claim this thing doesn’t count, and then I say “the word ‘is’ in this context means,” and then you ironically call me pedantic, and we waste 14 hours intellectually jerking off.
Like, it’s way easier to just say that you are one of the vampire’s familiars trying to trick me with lies. Like, uh … like a lawyer. You know.
I will note, this is not an argument in favor of AI. This is just clinical “given up” disease. I think they call that cynicism.
I mean, I personally wouldn’t lose anything; I don’t watch Marvel. You don’t think they’re funny, though? I’m not gonna say I like them, but I’ve almost always laughed.
“Can be, but typically isn’t” isn’t strict in any sense. It’s the opposite of strict, by admitting more than one possibility. We’re still no closer to understanding what it is you think constitutes art, so we can’t have a proper discussion about how, if at all, non-AI generated art fails to be art in that sense, and whether that’s important.
Asking people what they mean by the words the say - especially when it’s a word like art which is literally memed on for being the source of endless debates regarding its nature and definition - is not some kind of juvenile trap; it’s a pre-requisite for having a productive conversation on the subject.
The argument in favour is that people want to do it, so just let them get on with it. Simple.