All of Europe knows why Donald Trump is really attacking Ukraine and its president.
  • AlteredEgo@lemmy.mlEnglish
    119·
    2 hours ago

    The fact remains that the high energy prices are ruining the EUs economies. And yes the Iran war is responsible for the high fuel prices now, but it did start earlier. Germany shutting of their nuclear power at the behest of the fossil fuel lobby. Then Biden bombing the nordstream pipeline and sanctions against Russia.

    These are the causes for the massive deindustrialization Germany and the EU is facing. You might agree with it but this remains the facts. But it’s not like this forced degrowth in the face of the war is doing anything to counter climate change any more, that ship has sailed by now.

    So what the fuck are our European leaders laughing about? The downfall of Europe? For what? Ukraine? Some shithole ultra corrupt contry nobody, really absolutely nobody cared about before? We HAD to get that one into NATO and we HAD to get that one into the EU?

    I understand the US they want to expand their empire and redefine the relationship with their vassals in the EU. I understand Russia, they don’t want to have missiles easily reaching Moscow and loose access to the black sea, and they don’t want to be next on the chopping block. I understand Ukraine the nationalists there want a permanent break from Russia and permanent russophobia is a great strategy to maintain power.

    What I don’t understand is Europe. Just what the fuck did we gain from this? Ethical brownie points? Or does anybody seriously think we are safer today than we’ve been before the color revolution and regime change in 2014? Like seriously? It’s so fucking pathetic. Ukraine won’t be holding out much longer and gonna end up as a failed, landlocked state.

    Europe really deserves the fascist takeover by AFD/LePen/Reform that is inevitable coming next. Weak leaders and moronic people being swayed by the most obvious propaganda. I guess the then retired European leaders are going continue laughing in their villas.

  • panthera_@lemmy.todayEnglish
    54·
    4 hours ago

    But what is Europe is doing to help Ukraine? This is what Europe should propose to Putin. Russia will withdraw from all land it seized from Ukraine after the 2022 invasion. NATO would be dissolved and replaced with a European alliance. Ukraine and Canada would be permitted to join but not the US. All sanctions against Russia will be lifted. Russia will not be required to pay reparations. If Putin doesn’t accept the proposal, the UK and France would send troops to Ukraine.

    • AviAdi@suppo.fiEnglish
      39·
      3 hours ago

      1. France is about to go bankrupt and the internal revolution is just starting

      2. Dissolving NATO is the silliest thing I’ve ever heard of

      3. Europe is not as united as one may think nor does it have any leverage against Russia, yet!

      4. Europe is experiencing an ongoing energy crisis that will cause hardship this winter. Their citizens aren’t ready for what’s coming nor do they want to fight (and I don’t blame them)

      This is just my opinion

  • Buffalox@lemmy.worldEnglish
    63·
    11 hours ago

    Advice to Zelensky:
    Say to Trump Ukraine will stop bombing Russian oil, when USA has fixed the Hormuz strait problems and Oil is down below $60 like they were before USA attacked Iran.