• abc@suppo.fi
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    4 days ago

    anti Zionism

    Is there a way to be anti-zionist without practically wanting all jews to leave the area where Israel currently is? It’s about wanting to dismantle the country known as Israel, isn’t it?

    edit I asked the question, but it was of course rhetorical. Anti-Zionism is exactly wanting to dismantle the country known as Israel, not giving a fuck what happens to the people living there as a consequence.

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      4 days ago

      Zionism is the support of a Jewish/white supremacist apartheid state.

      I am an anti-Zionist. I don’t think apartheid ethnostates should exist. That is not the same as saying “I think all Jews should be run out of the historical land of Palestine.” It means I believe in equal opportunity and governance for all people, regardless of their class, ethnicity, gender, religion, or lack of religion.

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        2 days ago

        I don’t think apartheid ethnostates should exist.

        This seems to me like you should be opposing Palestine as well. They would obviously be an ethnostate, and the only reason they would not be apartheid is their lack of power.

    • Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world
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      3 days ago

      Is there a way to be anti-zionist without practically wanting all jews to leave the area where Israel currently is?

      There could be an argument for a return to 1947 borders that includes full demilitarisation.

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      4 days ago

      You could look at it that way, but countries have come and gone throughout history. However they got there, they are there now, if they would peacefully coexist in the area, then it was Zionism that put them there but they would no longer be practising the murderous expansionism of Zionism.

      The problem is thats not gonna happen without some kind of reckoning, and even if that were to happen, the reparations due are incalculable at this point

      • foenkyfjutschah@programming.dev
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        3 days ago

        erm iirc the it was a full-fledged extermination policy in Europe and mass expulsions from Casablanca to Isfahan that brought the bulk of jewish Israelis there.