like 15%, but they’re there. Any time you get a group that big there’s going to be dissenters. There’s a far right, a mid-right and some centre-right moderates. No one left of that would want to live there in the first place. There’s like a slim 15% that aren’t fully supporting what’s going on there. Remember, the vast majority of Jews, don’t live in Israel. The few who do are a self-selected group who tend toward ethno-nationalism and/or religious nationalism. It’s not a race thing, it’s not “the Jews,” and it’s actually not unreasonable to be very suspect of Israeli nationals, though it’s very wrong to associate diaspora Jews with that perspective. Wealthy Zionists in other countries definitely are part of it, but they’re more of a loud and influential minority outside Israel. It’s actually a far cry from disparaging all Jews, because again, most Jewish people, aren’t Israeli and have either left as soon as they could, our never were in the first place, and Israel the state is far from representative of the whole ethnic/religious group as a whole.
I mean, I fully agree with what you’re saying, as long as this sentence is true:
“Israelites who desire to leave Israel, can do so”.
Is it? I come from a poorer country, where “leaving” is something many people want to do, but not so many can. It takes a lot of money and/or financial security to leave your homeland, in our case, and that includes the wealthier part of European countries, moving to the less wealthy ones. Same currency, no passport required, and it’s still difficult.
Maybe Israel is different, being a younger, richer, more artificially developed country (mostly non-natives). I have no idea.
I mean it literally, when I say this:
Maybe this specific country(Israel), due to historical and material reasons, functions differently than other countries, and the identity of “Israeli” shouldn’t get the same treatment as other national identities.
As a thought, all that sounds to me “too convenient to be true”, but boy, do you find me lacking in historical context.
You’re right, and there are indeed some left-leaning Israelis that live there, have a hard time getting out, and oppose the majority. There is, however, a very supportive pipeline out for most in that most have family elsewhere that will sponsor their emigration and extensive diaspora communities to support them. The percentage of left leaning Israelis that remain Israeli is very small because it’s relatively easy for them to leave compared to many countries, and in recent history they’ve enjoyed relative freedom of movement in wealthy western countries. It’s a unique situation. Meanwhile there’s a number of programs within Israel and in other countries to help encourage more nationalist-minded Jewish people from around the world to resettle in Israel.
The part that’s hard for some people to wrap there head around is that there’s actually institutional infrastructure to aid inward migration of right wingers and outward migration of everyone else, so you kind of have a distilled right-wing oriented culture within the country. It’s not a normal circumstance that you would find in most places where there’s a high level of social and institutional friction that keeps the ratio more balanced. The ones stuck are the ones with so little social and financial means, they’re politically too marginal to matter. I’m definitely sympathetic to those poor souls, but numerically, politically, and culturally too insignificant to count. There’s a better than 90% chance if you meet an Israeli, they’re proud of what their government is doing. That by no means reflects the sentiment of Jews worldwide
like 15%, but they’re there. Any time you get a group that big there’s going to be dissenters. There’s a far right, a mid-right and some centre-right moderates. No one left of that would want to live there in the first place. There’s like a slim 15% that aren’t fully supporting what’s going on there. Remember, the vast majority of Jews, don’t live in Israel. The few who do are a self-selected group who tend toward ethno-nationalism and/or religious nationalism. It’s not a race thing, it’s not “the Jews,” and it’s actually not unreasonable to be very suspect of Israeli nationals, though it’s very wrong to associate diaspora Jews with that perspective. Wealthy Zionists in other countries definitely are part of it, but they’re more of a loud and influential minority outside Israel. It’s actually a far cry from disparaging all Jews, because again, most Jewish people, aren’t Israeli and have either left as soon as they could, our never were in the first place, and Israel the state is far from representative of the whole ethnic/religious group as a whole.
I mean, I fully agree with what you’re saying, as long as this sentence is true:
“Israelites who desire to leave Israel, can do so”.
Is it? I come from a poorer country, where “leaving” is something many people want to do, but not so many can. It takes a lot of money and/or financial security to leave your homeland, in our case, and that includes the wealthier part of European countries, moving to the less wealthy ones. Same currency, no passport required, and it’s still difficult.
Maybe Israel is different, being a younger, richer, more artificially developed country (mostly non-natives). I have no idea.
I mean it literally, when I say this:
As a thought, all that sounds to me “too convenient to be true”, but boy, do you find me lacking in historical context.
You’re right, and there are indeed some left-leaning Israelis that live there, have a hard time getting out, and oppose the majority. There is, however, a very supportive pipeline out for most in that most have family elsewhere that will sponsor their emigration and extensive diaspora communities to support them. The percentage of left leaning Israelis that remain Israeli is very small because it’s relatively easy for them to leave compared to many countries, and in recent history they’ve enjoyed relative freedom of movement in wealthy western countries. It’s a unique situation. Meanwhile there’s a number of programs within Israel and in other countries to help encourage more nationalist-minded Jewish people from around the world to resettle in Israel.
The part that’s hard for some people to wrap there head around is that there’s actually institutional infrastructure to aid inward migration of right wingers and outward migration of everyone else, so you kind of have a distilled right-wing oriented culture within the country. It’s not a normal circumstance that you would find in most places where there’s a high level of social and institutional friction that keeps the ratio more balanced. The ones stuck are the ones with so little social and financial means, they’re politically too marginal to matter. I’m definitely sympathetic to those poor souls, but numerically, politically, and culturally too insignificant to count. There’s a better than 90% chance if you meet an Israeli, they’re proud of what their government is doing. That by no means reflects the sentiment of Jews worldwide