• 🇨🇦GreenBeard🇨🇦@lemmy.ca
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      20 hours ago

      Ehhh. Even in Israel’s case there’s some that are appalled by everything that’s going on, including this. Not many, like 15%, but they’re there. Any time you get a group that big there’s going to be dissenters. There’s a far right, a mid-right and some centre-right moderates. No one left of that would want to live there in the first place.

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        19 hours ago

        15%? My friend, that’s the Palestinian population in Israel. That’s literally the aligned Arab coalition party and the far left Jewish party with communist ideologies who want to break the colonial state.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_List

        The Palestinians want to live there because it’s their ancestral home, the Jewish Israelis who are communist/far left want to either leave (not easy to do) or dissolve the current state and basically renounce their citizenship. To lump them in as the 15% population of Israelis that are dissenters is not very accurate.

        Israel is either a small population of far left and therefore don’t really identify with the state or nationality, and everyone else is right wing. Which is why it’s redundant to say “far right Israeli”.

        • 🇨🇦GreenBeard🇨🇦@lemmy.ca
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          19 hours ago

          I’m not entirely disagreeing with you, we’ll likely never have accurate data on how many remaining Jewish Israelis actually dissent, and it may well be that 15% is almost totally the Palestinian Israelis. I’m well aware almost everyone even vaguely left of centre has either left the country or is trying to (I will admit I have some out-sized sympathy for those who can’t), and they were never a major faction to begin with, because most Jews with progressive or socialist sympathies never wanted to be associated with the project in the first place. I’m just saying it’s not untrue that there is still a spectrum within the remaining right wing there. “Far right”, is still an accurate description of the most extreme subset.

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            15 hours ago

            I mean, listen, there’s always a spectrum. But my definition of “far right” is anyone advocating for a colonial ethnocentric state. And that’s israelis.

            A liberal Zionist is still left of far right Likud, but the majority of the colonial project was constructed and given cover by liberal Zionism. And that’s far right.