Sure, but not many that also have the means to accomplish it. It’s sort of tough to build a better world when you’re stuck working for an evil corporation but would be homeless and starving if you as much as took a few days off to protest gunning random innocent people down in the streets.
I don’t see a realistic way to get to that better world from where we’re standing that doesn’t first go through a lot of awful even worse than anything we see today, and very likely a lot of people being willing to die just in the hopes that it will make things better for people in the future but certainty that whether it does or not is something they’ll never see either way.
Yeah, funding is a major issue with most attempts at creating a utopian society. My plans for it involved somehow winning a lottery I didn’t buy a ticket for, having a mysterious and formerly unheard of relative die and for some unknown reason choose me to inherit their billions, or finding a genie lamp. No luck on any front so far, but maybe today will be the day.
Funding makes it easier but also more difficult. In my opinion the biggest problem is finding the people who want to live in the future. With funding, people larp just to get some of the money. Without it there are only intrinsically motivated people who work together to create the funding. Finding them is what is needed to get going.
Most people like things like air conditioning, well cooked meals, and comfortable beds. It’s difficult to convince a group of people in 2026 to hike out into some seemingly unclaimed land where the environment is pretty much sure to be awful and start constructing huts and rebuilding society while living off the land.
Where? Can you find a nice plot of land where a city could be constructed in a place where it would be free to create it’s own moral laws, that’s accessible enough to the folks here from all around the world that they’d be able to pop in easily to help out regularly while still maintaining the job necessary for survival until it’s built up enough to allow for that?
Why start with the city? Start with any business in a normal country and expand until there is enough funding. Then, the project is big enough that somewhere a country will be willing to provide the land. At least the US will create freedom cities soon.
… I said the Utopian society thing is tough because of funding. You disagreed. Now you’re saying start a random business and have enough success to create the necessary funding.
You can go ahead and write up all the planning then. I’ll step out and let you handle it. Feel free to let me know when we’re ready to go.
I’ll be here, in the place I can afford to keep living, so hopefully it’s near by or the business I’m performing free labor for is legally group owned in full and the plan doesn’t rely on lots of volunteers building one person lots of funding based on trust.
Sure, but not many that also have the means to accomplish it. It’s sort of tough to build a better world when you’re stuck working for an evil corporation but would be homeless and starving if you as much as took a few days off to protest gunning random innocent people down in the streets.
I don’t see a realistic way to get to that better world from where we’re standing that doesn’t first go through a lot of awful even worse than anything we see today, and very likely a lot of people being willing to die just in the hopes that it will make things better for people in the future but certainty that whether it does or not is something they’ll never see either way.
Once a future city is going, people can move there and find better work. The difficult part is to get it running.
Yeah, funding is a major issue with most attempts at creating a utopian society. My plans for it involved somehow winning a lottery I didn’t buy a ticket for, having a mysterious and formerly unheard of relative die and for some unknown reason choose me to inherit their billions, or finding a genie lamp. No luck on any front so far, but maybe today will be the day.
Funding makes it easier but also more difficult. In my opinion the biggest problem is finding the people who want to live in the future. With funding, people larp just to get some of the money. Without it there are only intrinsically motivated people who work together to create the funding. Finding them is what is needed to get going.
Most people like things like air conditioning, well cooked meals, and comfortable beds. It’s difficult to convince a group of people in 2026 to hike out into some seemingly unclaimed land where the environment is pretty much sure to be awful and start constructing huts and rebuilding society while living off the land.
No need to start like that. Building a city can be done after gaining experience with many other projects.
Where? Can you find a nice plot of land where a city could be constructed in a place where it would be free to create it’s own moral laws, that’s accessible enough to the folks here from all around the world that they’d be able to pop in easily to help out regularly while still maintaining the job necessary for survival until it’s built up enough to allow for that?
I sure can’t.
Why start with the city? Start with any business in a normal country and expand until there is enough funding. Then, the project is big enough that somewhere a country will be willing to provide the land. At least the US will create freedom cities soon.
… I said the Utopian society thing is tough because of funding. You disagreed. Now you’re saying start a random business and have enough success to create the necessary funding.
You can go ahead and write up all the planning then. I’ll step out and let you handle it. Feel free to let me know when we’re ready to go.
I’ll be here, in the place I can afford to keep living, so hopefully it’s near by or the business I’m performing free labor for is legally group owned in full and the plan doesn’t rely on lots of volunteers building one person lots of funding based on trust.