Canadian provincial leader says Trump is a ‘bad person’ as Canada weighs concessions for trade deal
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The premier of a Canadian province launched a blistering attack on U.S. President Donald Trump on Thursday, calling him a “bad person” and “not to be trusted” and urging Canada to keep fighting rather than rush to make concessions in trade talks with Washington.

The premier of a Canadian province launched a blistering attack on U.S. President Donald Trump on Thursday, calling him a “bad person” and “not to be trusted” and urging Canada to keep fighting rather than rush to make concessions in trade talks with Washington.

Manitoba Premier Wab Kinew said Canada has leverage in the talks even as his province weighs restoring U.S. alcohol sales at Prime Minister Mark Carney’s urging to help secure a deal that would avert threatened 50% U.S. tariffs.

“Everybody knows the American president by now, he’s erratic, he’s irresponsible, and he’s not to be trusted. And this is the person that we were supposed to make a deal with, and we’re going to make additional concessions for it. That’s why I say you can’t make a good deal with a bad person, because who’s to say it’s not going to be undone?” Kinew said.

  • SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.caEnglish
    458·
    21 hours ago

    Ok, but he needs to shut the fuck up until a deal is signed, he can politically posture later.

    • Mongostein@lemmy.caEnglish
      64·
      21 hours ago

      Why? Deals with Trump mean nothing. The best thing to do is strengthen our border and ignore that pants-shitting rapist.

    • cecilkorik@lemmy.caEnglish
      39·
      21 hours ago

      Or we can tell Trump to shut the fuck up and let him politically posture later. When he tries to hurt us, endure the pain, because every second of it makes us stronger and makes him weaker. Do not negotiate with terrorists.

      • Maeve@kbin.earth
        5·
        21 hours ago

        I wish my loss adverse fellow citizens who have been losing since FDR could see it this clearly.

    • puppinstuff@lemmy.caEnglish
      23·
      21 hours ago

      I disagree. We need a good deal or none at all. And we are certainly not going to get a good deal between the narcissistic incompetent and Ol’ Schrodinger’s Elbows.

      Wab smells B.S. and I’m here for it.

    • assaultpotato@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      213·
      20 hours ago

      Hard agree, as someone who voted for Wab as my MLA. I wish he and Ford would stop fucking around and just let the federal government retain the jurisdiction over foreign affairs. Ford’s Reagan ad was factual and “felt good” for Canadians to see but really stirred the pot.

      • sik0fewl@piefed.caEnglish
        10·
        17 hours ago

        Trump is the one wiping his ass with NAFTA and now USMCA. They are not the ones stirring the pot. Anyway, provinces have a lot of say in who they trade with and if they want to make it hurt for states that violate trade agreements, then good for them.

        • assaultpotato@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          19·
          17 hours ago

          I understand that Trump and the US are highly volatile and unreliable people unlikely to honor any agreement they make. That doesn’t mean we should make our negotiating team’s job harder by intentionally poking the wasp nest.

          And no, provinces generally don’t have jurisdiction over foreign policy like trade agreements. That is a federal power, hence why its “CUSMA” (Canada-US-Mexico Agreement) not “BCASM…NFUSMA”. Provinces generally do not set their own foreign policy, and having emotions about Trump, the US, and threats to our sovereignty shouldn’t change that. At best provinces are allowed to make their own deals within the confines of existing frameworks set up by the federal government(s).

          There is no concrete win from Wab totally owning MAGAts other than a cheap political stunt for Canadian audiences, and a concrete downside. See: Ford’s infamous Reagan ad and the fallout from that.

          • foggenbooty@lemmy.worldEnglish
            4·
            6 hours ago

            So you recognise that the US is unlikely to honor a deal, yet in the same breath ask not complicate negotiating the deal?

            If the deal is a sham, why put any stock in it? Standing up for ourselves will only put us in a stronger postion down the road if the US ever becomes rational again. We’ll be just sitting there on the next administrations doorstep, with easy economic opportunity a signature away (and a list of demands).

            Making a deal now is a fools errand. All Carney has to do is stem the bleeding to keep us afloat until then.

            • assaultpotato@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              12·
              6 hours ago

              I think people here don’t understand that I’m not advocating for capitulation. I’m saying “let the negotiation team manage the negotiations”, including deciding what pressures we’re applying and what we’re not willing to concede.

              This is the political equivalent of going to buy a used car or something and bringing your kid along and the kid starts begging to buy the car. Wab and Ford are not party to these negotiations, and should not be undermining federal government’s negotiations.

            • assaultpotato@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              11·
              6 hours ago

              “It might rain later and ruin my sign I created for the parade later. No one really can predict the rain. I should piss on my sign because it doesn’t really matter anyways.”

              A thoughtful approach to foreign policy.

            • assaultpotato@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              31·
              17 hours ago

              Bud, what are you talking about? Per your own link:

              The Canadian Free Trade Agreement (CFTA) is an intergovernmental trade agreement signed by Canadian ministers representing the federal government and all 13 provinces and territories (PTs). The objective of the CFTA is to reduce and eliminate, to the extent possible, barriers to the free movement of persons, goods, services, and investments within Canada and to establish an open, efficient, and stable domestic market.

              This is a trade agreement between provinces and has nothing to do with foreign policy. Per the CFTA, Article 100 (Objective) and Article 101:

              Article 100: Objective

              The Parties’ objective is to reduce and eliminate, to the extent possible, barriers to the free movement of persons, goods, services, and investments within Canada and to establish an open, efficient, and stable domestic market. The Parties recognize and agree that enhancing trade, investment, and labour mobility within Canada would contribute to the attainment of this goal.

              Article 101: Application

              This Agreement applies to trade, investment, and labour mobility within Canada.

              I’m wondering if you even read your own source? It’s free and online: https://www.cfta-alec.ca/cfta-agreement/chapter-one-initial-provisions

            • assaultpotato@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              23·
              16 hours ago

              I’m actually losing my mind that you all are allowed to vote. I hope our nation increases our education budget for Canadian civics classes.

              Constitution Act: https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/const/page-4.html

              Treaty Obligations

              [132] The Parliament and Government of Canada shall have all Powers necessary or proper for performing the Obligations of Canada or of any Province thereof, as Part of the British Empire, towards Foreign Countries, arising under Treaties between the Empire and such Foreign Countries.

              Then, when Canada legally became distinct from the Empire, “The Parliament and Government of Canada” referenced here became the new, national government via the Statute of Westminster, and the jurisdiction for international Treaties and trade agreements was inherited by the federal government.

              In 1931, under the Statute of Westminster, Canada and a number of other British dominions, acquired full independence(4) and with it authority to act internationally with all the attributes of a sovereign state.  Full power over foreign affairs was thus conferred on Canada and section 132 of the Constitution Act, 1867 became obsolete.

              Read about it here: https://publications.gc.ca/Collection-R/LoPBdP/BP/prb0004-e.htm#A. Authority Respecting International Treaties(txt)

              You people are so confidently wrong. Your downvotes mean nothing to me - I’ve seen what you upvote.

              • melsaskca@lemmy.caEnglish
                4·
                9 hours ago

                Fuck your “you people” superior bullshit. Like it or not we are all in the same melting pot together and different thoughts and ideas abound. The goal is to tighten up relationships and find common ground, not be disdainful/hateful. You cut yourself off from the herd just like an orange felon I know. Is that superiority? I may be wrong, but I’m confident about it. /s

            • assaultpotato@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              12·
              16 hours ago

              Like, have you ever heard of Manitoba (or any other province) setting import tariffs on US/foreign goods? No. When you import a good into Canada, does Manitoba CBSA charge you import fees? Do provinces even have their own CBSA? It is demonstrably false that provinces can set foreign trade policy without federal involvement and frameworks. They cannot tariff, set quotas, or even lower tariffs or import fees. They can buy and sell with foreign entities but only from within the confines of federal agreements like CUSMA, which is negotiated federally. Provinces can direct Crown Crops like liquor commissions to not buy goods made available via CUSMA, but they cannot change the terms of CUSMA to allow new goods, change import tariffs and fees, etc.