I see you moving the goalposts there, but fine. In that case: Sweden’s “right” to autonomy (countries don’t have rights; people do, in this case the right to self-determination) doesn’t override the rights of people living in Sweden. Your argument can be used to justify literally anything any government does, but I rather doubt you’d justify the Russian invasion of Ukraine via Russia’s “right” (see above) to autonomy.
I never moved the goalposts, you’re just having trouble understanding me. Rules apply to everyone equally. You’re requesting an exception. As the judge said, I just don’t see why such an exception should be granted. The guy is British. He belongs in Britain. If he wanted to be Swedish, he can apply for Swedish citizenship. Yes, maybe he’d get rejected. Alas, those are the rules.
I personally don’t respect nationality, and I don’t care about citizenship. Everyone else does.
Sweden’s “right” to autonomy doesn’t override the rights of people living *in* Sweden
Um, it should go without saying that the right of Swedish people to determine which foreigners reside within their borders is not overridden by the convenience of those foreigners.
Okay I’m not sure if you’re aware of this (if not you should do some introspection), but your argument is nothing more than window-dressing for your authoritarian values and disregard for human rights. In particular, your assumption that rules have some kind of sanctity that trumps personal liberty is frankly the kind of authoritarian bullshit that props up authoritarian regimes. How you assume rules that just so happen to justify the actions of authority figures is very telling; for context the actual rules here are the Brexit withdrawal agreement, under which British residents of the EU at the time of signing are to get residency in their host countries if they apply for it. I hope you become a better person; this conversation is over.
At which stage are the human rights of this entitled British guy violated?
Like you, I don’t like borders. I think the world is made of small communities and individuals and larger communities. I resent the very idea of a nation state. None of this moral idealism matters in this case, since we don’t live in my hopes and dreams.
First, that has nothing to do with anything I said. Second, I somehow doubt applying for citizenship would’ve gone better than applying for residency.
Then he doesn’t belong there. Sweden has a right to its autonomy independent of whatever British people want.
I see you moving the goalposts there, but fine. In that case: Sweden’s “right” to autonomy (countries don’t have rights; people do, in this case the right to self-determination) doesn’t override the rights of people living in Sweden. Your argument can be used to justify literally anything any government does, but I rather doubt you’d justify the Russian invasion of Ukraine via Russia’s “right” (see above) to autonomy.
I never moved the goalposts, you’re just having trouble understanding me. Rules apply to everyone equally. You’re requesting an exception. As the judge said, I just don’t see why such an exception should be granted. The guy is British. He belongs in Britain. If he wanted to be Swedish, he can apply for Swedish citizenship. Yes, maybe he’d get rejected. Alas, those are the rules.
I personally don’t respect nationality, and I don’t care about citizenship. Everyone else does.
Um, it should go without saying that the right of Swedish people to determine which foreigners reside within their borders is not overridden by the convenience of those foreigners.
Okay I’m not sure if you’re aware of this (if not you should do some introspection), but your argument is nothing more than window-dressing for your authoritarian values and disregard for human rights. In particular, your assumption that rules have some kind of sanctity that trumps personal liberty is frankly the kind of authoritarian bullshit that props up authoritarian regimes. How you assume rules that just so happen to justify the actions of authority figures is very telling; for context the actual rules here are the Brexit withdrawal agreement, under which British residents of the EU at the time of signing are to get residency in their host countries if they apply for it. I hope you become a better person; this conversation is over.
At which stage are the human rights of this entitled British guy violated?
Like you, I don’t like borders. I think the world is made of small communities and individuals and larger communities. I resent the very idea of a nation state. None of this moral idealism matters in this case, since we don’t live in my hopes and dreams.