Four years after Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine, the Russian economy is showing clear signs of structural exhaustion. The contours of a genuine economic endgame are coming into view for Russia. This is the finding of a new Kiel Report published by the Kiel Institute for the World Economy and the Stockholm Institute of Transition Economics.
  • Photonic@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    50 seconds ago

    Yes

    That’s funny, because:

    Yet there is **limited evidence** that these measures have **inflicted substantial economic pain** on Russia, as the recent slowdown has largely reflected factors **unrelated to sanctions**.

    And I never claimed the sanctions were having no effect at all. So another bad faith argument by you. The thing we are discussing is:

    My claim, (in other words) that:

    Early in the war, the broad consensus was that the new sanctions would devastate the Russian economy.

    But that (and again, I quote, not my exact words, but VERY similar):

    there is limited evidence that these measures have inflicted substantial economic pain on Russia, as the recent slowdown has largely reflected factors unrelated to sanctions.

    So you don’t have to try to make a case against something I never claimed, which is that the sanctions are not having any effect at all on the Russian economy. They just weren’t draining the economy in 2022, like Von der Leyen (and many others) claimed. For this I have provided ample evidence, against your: “nah uh!” without any evidence to back it up and endless straw man arguments.

    You write the letter, you don’t spell it out.

    Yeah in a work document, paper or math assignment. Nobody does in an online discussion with some other guy. Also the entire language was completely different from the rest of your comments. It was clear it was LLM output. Stop embarrassing yourself, triangle boy.

    the non-monetary consequences of sanctions, that you also keep ignoring.

    I have not been ignoring it. It’s just that I never claimed anything about it, nor that it is part of the discussion. You’re just making another straw man. This discussion is entirely about the economy draining in 2022, or have you forgotten that in all your wisdom?

    Why is it so hard for you to say: “yeah, okay, with all this evidence, I see that you’re right. Von der Leyen and many others have indeed been claiming similar things about the Russian economy since 2022 and they haven’t come true, so let’s indeed wait and see before we believe another such message.” ?

    And maybe apologise for acting like a jerk right off the bat too, Mr. “asking questions“.

    That would get you way more respect than this mindless rambling, this pathetic whining, this narcissistic behaviour, trying strawman after another that all fail miserably.