… with trucks… that weigh hundreds of HUNDREDS of thousands of pounds less than a train (literally just the locomotive weighs 400 THOUSAND pounds/200 short tons, even a land train in australia has a maximum weight of 164 short tons). It’s like saying “why don’t bicycles have seatbelts when cars are required to”. The car seatbelts are for collisions with other things at speed. A bike/car collision at 90 degrees is much more worrisome for the bike than the car.
There are 25 rail passenger casualties for every 100 collisions with a heavy vehicle at a crossing, of which there are 14609 collisions with trucks in the US database over a ten year period to 2021
Nice, you conveniently left out “25 rail passenger or staff” in your claim there. Meaning the person at the very front of the train, that gets smushed with the truck. Even with that, the level of fatalities is 45x lower than road fatalities. All you’ve done here is prove my point.
Fatalities to rail occupants were extremely rare, with 7 collisions (out of 19,495) resulting in 11 rail fatalities. There were 5 separate collisions involving heavy vehicles which each caused one rail fatality, whereas one collision involving a light vehicle resulted in 5 fatalities 20 (another collision with a light vehicle resulted in one fatality).
So 7 collisions out of 19,495 resulted in fatalities. A rate of .03% fatality rate… without seatbelts.
Yeah, I’m gonna reiterate it. All you’ve done is prove my point.
Trains don’t take 90° turns, nor have other trains hit them at 90° angles.
Over an 8 year period there were 49 90 degree rail accidents with trucks at crossings in Australia
… with trucks… that weigh hundreds of HUNDREDS of thousands of pounds less than a train (literally just the locomotive weighs 400 THOUSAND pounds/200 short tons, even a land train in australia has a maximum weight of 164 short tons). It’s like saying “why don’t bicycles have seatbelts when cars are required to”. The car seatbelts are for collisions with other things at speed. A bike/car collision at 90 degrees is much more worrisome for the bike than the car.
There are 25 rail passenger casualties for every 100 collisions with a heavy vehicle at a crossing, of which there are 14609 collisions with trucks in the US database over a ten year period to 2021
Yeah you’re gonna need to start quoting your sources.
https://www.atsb.gov.au/sites/default/files/2024-04/RS-2021-001 Final v1.2.pdf
Nice, you conveniently left out “25 rail passenger or staff” in your claim there. Meaning the person at the very front of the train, that gets smushed with the truck. Even with that, the level of fatalities is 45x lower than road fatalities. All you’ve done here is prove my point.
| Total collisions | Rail fatalities | Rail injuries | Road fatalities | Road injuries Heavy vehicles | 4,886 | 5 | 1,230 | 228 | 1,143 Light vehicles | 14,609 | 6 | 504 | 1,542 | 5,249And fun little quote from your paper:
So 7 collisions out of 19,495 resulted in fatalities. A rate of .03% fatality rate… without seatbelts.
Yeah, I’m gonna reiterate it. All you’ve done is prove my point.
You have some major ego problems
Nice retort. Please come back with some evidence that supports your argument. You are the one claiming that trains need seatbelts.