• Gates9@sh.itjust.works
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      11 hours ago

      Israel didn’t overthrow Irans government in 1953. Perhaps there was some Zionist influence, but this was the policy of Post-WWII Western fascists, writ large. This is about the alliance of western nations (NATO) maintaining control, and preventing any kind of meaningful geopolitical alternative from emerging in the east, creating currency and economic unions that can displace the petrodollar and IMF, major non maritime trade routes, pipelines, etc.

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        Iran was never in danger of becoming a meaningful geopolitical alternative, especially given that they were very clearly moving closer to the us. The war in iran cannot be said to be a nato power play give the current rift between nato members about the war, and the predictably destablising effect it would obviously have and is having on the structures of US hegemony.

        It was very clearly a last minute decision by some of the dumbest us elites that russia could buy.

        The position, goals and capabilities of the us empire were very different in '53 than today.

        I think you’re making a general over-arching argument that is contradicted by the specific details.

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          Iran was never in danger of becoming a meaningful geopolitical alternative, especially given that they were very clearly moving closer to the us.

          But the United Snakes has a long history of destroying countries that was no threat to it

          nato members about the war

          Nato knew that directly going in the war won’t change anything but it supported the war of aggression on Iran initially . Many NATO members also shared intel with the USA and Israel during the war of aggression and added additional sanctions so it is harder of Iran to defend itself

          In fairness, they were also a bit surprised. To maintain the element of surprise for the initial strikes, President Trump opted not to inform Allies ahead of time. And I understand that. . But what I see, when I look across Europe today, is Allies providing a massive amount of support. Basing, logistics, and other measures – to ensure the powerful US military succeeds in denying Iran a nuclear weapon and degrading its capacity to export chaos. - Mark Rutte

          https://www.nato.int/en/news-and-events/events/transcripts/2026/04/09/speech-by-nato-secretary-general-mark-rutte-at-the-reagan-institutes-center-for-peace-through-strength

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          10 hours ago

          Iran was never in danger of becoming a meaningful geopolitical alternative, especially given that they were very clearly moving closer to the us.

          Were they? Iran is a full member of BRICS, having officially joined the bloc on January 1, 2024. This does not seem to be in alignment with the larger strategic interests of the U.S. or its allies. What do you mean by “moving closer to the U.S.?

          The war in iran cannot be said to be a nato power play give the current rift between nato members about the war, and the predictably destablising effect it would obviously have and is having on the structures of US hegemony.

          There is no rift, it all bullshit. NATO is the west, albeit led by the nose by the U.S…. Certain political critters will make overtures about leaving NATO from time to time as it suits them in the moment. It won’t happen.

          It was very clearly a last minute decision by some of the dumbest us elites that russia could buy.

          The funny thing about this situation, to the extent that there is anything funny about it, is that Trump fucked up a war the MIC has been planning for 40 years.

          I think the influence of Russia has been overblown as well. They are one of the prime targets of the Western aristocracy. They made a bid to have some control over U.S. foreign policy through Trump et al, but all amidst NATO encroachment and a proxy war.

          The position, goals and capabilities of the us empire were very different in '53 than today.

          Duh

          I think you’re making a general over-arching argument that is contradicted by the specific details.

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            There is no rift, it all bullshit. NATO is the west

            When you think your opponent is a monolith, it just means you don’t understand your opponent.

            Russia’s Duganist foreign policy relies on the reality of a rift within nato. Part of the reason that they put so much renewed effort into their trumpist coup is to stoke that rift after their strategic failure in ukraine - bringing nato nations closer than at any point since 1990

            Russia’s influence among US kleptocrats and fascists is if anything understated. The regime’s “accomplishments” are just a wishlist of russian foreign policy goals.

            Trump has long been a russian asset and his business empire was just a front for russian mob money. His earliest advisors were almost entirely known russian agents. Destablising greenland and canada is russia attacking potential NW passage rivals, and greenland helps distance the us and eu. The first trump regime completely dismantled the state dept. and it’s still basically non-functional. Propaganda organs like VoA and USAID, cybersecurity too. Any institutions the empire uses to expand influence or defend itself. Massive self defeating tarriffs on allies and client states weaken alliances and increase pressure on the citizen body.

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              8 hours ago

              Yeah Russia and USA jerk each other off under the table from time to time, depending on the political climate. I still think this so-called “rift” is subterfuge. The proxy war against Russia continues.

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            There’s a meme in recent about the face you do when somebody says something so stupid you can’t even imagine where to start.

            But let me start with this:

            Iran is a full member of BRICS

            How deep covered in shit US propaganda do one have to be to state that the BRICS is an anti-US alliance?

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              i consider myself an anti imperialist, and i tend to favor brics precisely because it undermines the american hegemony. does that make it anti-us? it certainly threatens US imperialist interests to allow oil to be purchased in yuan. which i think is a good thing, but it does seem to be anti-us.

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              9 hours ago

              BRICS may not be “anti-U.S.”, but the aristocracy that runs the west, and the U.S., is certainly anti-BRICS.