• WoodScientist@lemmy.world
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      Bows aren’t seen as feminine. Otherwise it would be an insult to give a man a present wrapped in a bow. They’re seen as childish. Men wouldn’t take it as a challenge to their manhood if you gave them a present wrapped in a bow. If your work uniform included a big shiny bow on the front, you would feel pretty damn infantilized.

      Or in this specific case, the bow is meant to say “this body is a gift, an object, a thing to be conquered or obtained.” Literal objectification. And this particular objectification only applies to women’s bodies, not men’s. Men get to receive the gift of a woman’s body, but women don’t get to receive the gift of a man’s body. Men have agency, women don’t. Classic infantilization, the stripping of agency.

      Or, for a more specific example. Grown women don’t tend to wear a lot of bows in their hair. That’s something for young girls primarily. Same reason you don’t see 40 year old women dressing up as fairy tale princesses. Fairy tales princesses aren’t a feminine thing, they’re a children’s thing.

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        You realize women are choosing to wear bows on their underwear, yeah? Like, they can buy underwear sans bows. Virtue signalling prick

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        Isn’t the bow in a present there for celebrative and decorative purposes?

        The necktie originates from a bow kind of. Some men even wear bows with a suit, especially with a dress suit. It’s part of many butlers’ uniform.

        Never have a thought of them as childish, but if that’s what you see then so be it.

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          Exactly. Bows on presents are meant to be festive and frivolous. You see them at Christmas, a holiday centered around children.

          How many adults do you see with bow ties? Want an example? Tucker Carlson started his career wearing a bow tie. His whole shtick was he was a young edgelord conservative. The bow tie went with his youthful look.

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            Thanks for letting us have a glimpse of your thoughts. If you do requests, I would like to see you do jewellery next, which are decorative and celebrative and centered around some holidays as well.

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        but women don’t get to receive the gift of a man’s body

        dunno, the wife unties the draw string on my boxers (that I usually tie in a bow because its easier to undo) and goes to town…

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        lemmy is very misogynistic and dont like thinking critically about the patriarchal influences on everyday life.

        i think this is a great write up.

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          Lemmy is very mysoginistic, in that a lot of you don’t seem to understand that women have agency and can make decisions for themselves. Like it’s somehow men’s fault if a woman prefers underwear that she thinks look cute

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            Woman intentionally buys underwear she thinks is cute, that likely she will be the only one to see it and know what it looks like.

            Men: That’s infanticizing!