Germany is making extreme over-corrections for their past. Everything related to the two world wars and the role they played in it is subject to censorship and oversight, to a degree that’s almost comical if it weren’t real.
ONE MILLION Roma were murdered by the NAZIs during the Holocaust, alongside 3 million Jews.
Notice how German politicians don’t “unwaveringly support” the Roma. In fact, they don’t even talk about them.
The “change” in Germany after NAZIsm wasn’t the end of the idea that ethnicity defines how somebody should be treated or that some ethnicities are “good” and others are “bad”, it was merelly moving the Jewish People from the “bad” ethnicity to the “good” ethnicity column.
A consistent and non-racist “correction” for Germany’s past would see all of the actual victims of NAZIsm and their descendants being compensated for it, be they Roma, Jews, Handicaped, Homosexuals, Communists or from any other group, and ONLY the victims, not this Racist bullshit of claiming that all individuals of an entire and very specific ethnicity are all deserving of support even though the vast majority of them are in no way form or shape related to the victims of the NAZIs except for being born in the same ethnicity, whilst not doing it for those from other equally targetted groups (something I emphasize because it really shows how even the supposed “making of amends” is done in a Racist way).
This shit we see in Germany is not a genuine change from the way of thinking of the past, it’s just in the face of defeat doing the minimum required adjustment to the defeated political ideology to please the victors, which was moving a specific ethnicity which is influential in the main winner country of the war from untermenschen to ubermenschen, without doing it for any other targetted ethnicity, much less actually reforming the way of thinking about and acting towards people as “ethnics” that underpinned NAZIsm or even, as we see in this law, refuse to use force to silence dissenting opinions.
The “change” in Germany is mainly changing the façade, not at all the foundations - i.e. image management, not reform - hence how right now the open racism of “unwaveringly supporting” a genocidal nation with no other reason than the dominant ethnicity there and the choice of using force against those who disagree such as this law are right alongside:
Everything related to the two world wars and the role they played in it is subject to censorship and oversight, to a degree that’s almost comical if it weren’t real.
It’s not particularly complex. Israel spends hundreds of millions a year on hasbara. In fact they upped the budget by more than 4x this year. Any German politician saying anything against Israel would be seen as Hitler 2.0 by a lot of people, because Israel == Jews and disagreeing with Israel == wanting to genocide Jews if it comes from a German politician in particular.
In 2008, Merkel actually said Israel’s security is Germany’s reason for existence. Merz, an Israel supporter himself, said in October that Germany can’t support another government “unconditionally” because the first priority of a government should be the people that live in the country itself.
Overall, support for Israel is down in Germany (among real people, not politicians), but there’s still a bunch of international propaganda by Israel making Israel out to be victims of literally everything and associating all Jewish people with Israel despite the fact that internationally, many disagree with zionism.
It’ll take long for things to change significantly, but change is underway.
That said my point still stands that the “support” for the Jewish People in Germany was never a visible element of a move away from the way of thinking which was the foundation of NAZIsm, it was only a façade whilst the Racism remained unabatted and the authoritarian tendencies were only mildly suppressed, as demonstrated by the totally different treatment extended to other victims of the Holocaust such as the Roma People, by the continuation of Race-centric treatment of people when supposedly moving away from the NAZI years into the “making of amends” to the victims (rather than a race-agnostic victim-centric view) and by the repeated use of Force in Germany to suppress political dissent such as llustrated by this law (and the countless videos of the politzei’s treatment of anti-Genocide demonstrators).
At least at the level of the political elites Germany is not a modern liberal nation, it’s a Racist nation with a very limited and mainly performative bit of “liberalism” (in such a fertile field of Race-centric and Authoritarian thinking, no wonder the growth of the AfD)
Germany (and the rest of the West, but Germany is significantly worse than most, IMHO) needs to move away from from the Normalized Racism of using people’s ethnicity as a determinant of their worth and deserved treatment and towards Humanist views, as well as away from creeping Authoritarianism like this.
It was and is so easy for the Zionists in Israel to manipulate Germany exactly because the latter country doesn’t really follow Humanist values (it just puts on a show of being a “modern” “liberal” country) hence the reaction to the Zionist Genocide was not the Humanist reaction (your actions define your worth and thus our support, and those who mass murder civilians don’t get our support), it was the extreme Racist reaction (the Kanzelier proclaiming “we unwaveringly support the Jewish Nation” at a point when the list of murdered babies 1 year old or younger in Gaza was already 17 pages long) and the Racism and Authoritarianism have carried on since, hence the continued forcefull suppression of anti-Genocide views, including this law.
And this shit wasn’t just the CDU and SDP, even the Greens had a Race-centric take rather than a Humanist one, holding a position which can only be derived from the belief that Race is more important than even Human Life.
All this to say that the change that has to happen for Germany to enter the XXI century is a lot deeper and fundamental than the miniscule step of stopping the “unwavering support for Jewish Nation”.
I’m agreeing with you entirely, but I would be remiss if I didn’t point out that 6 million Jews were killed in the Holocaust - 3 million in the camps, and the remainder in the Holocaust-by-bullets or in mobile gas chamber vans or some other means.
Also, fun fact about West Germany, they made all the gay concentration camp inmates serve out the rest of their sentences (though I believe at regular prisons) since being gay was still illegal. The DDR did not do this. West Germany also had a program to place foster children with pedophiles since they figured they’d love them. I shit you not.
From a business point of view when dealing with Israel, it doesn’t take much to figure out they are blocking or limiting Palestinians business.
From a military point of view, it doesn’t take much to realize how genocidal most of these technologies are.
With the US, we can attribute the support to many things, political reasons, capitalism, religious with Christian Zionists, and even blunt blackmailing. However, with Germany all these doesn’t work as well.
Personally, I think German rather have Zionist there than being in Europe. Which is the ultimate solution. If Israel fail, most of these people will go back where they came from ( Poland, Russia, Germany, France, England) or immigrate to NA or SA which would be another problem no one want to deal with.
Germany sees support for Israel‘s existence as preventing another Holocaust of the Jewish people.
In the 1950s Israel‘s economy was in shambles. So they accepted money from Germany to build their country, much of it went into buying heavy machinery from Germany.
Over time Germany and Israel cooperated militarily more. The Bundeswehr used the Uzi submachine gun for example and the Israeli Merkava tank uses German technology.
Germany also sold submarines to Israel, which are capable of launching nuclear missiles. Some of the submarines were paid for by Germany. The capability for a nuclear second strike via submarines is regarded as insurance for Israel‘s existence.
German involvement with Israel/Palestine goes back a long time. German Jews were important in the Zionist movement and founding of Israel. On the other hand the Palestinian leader Al-Husseini lived in Germany during WW2 and worked for the Nazis.
During the Cold War East Germany was among the first countries to support the PLO. West German leftist terrorists like RAF (Baader-Meinhof) cooperated with Palestinian militants and conducted several high profile operations together (e.g. Entebbe).
The Palestinian terrorist attack on the Israeli Olympic team 1972 in Munich was a major embarrassment for the German government.
business
Israel is a highly developed country. Palestine has a small economy compared to Israel. A big part of Palestinian trade goes through Israel anyway. Germany doesn’t sanction trade with Palestine in any way. As a matter of fact Germany has long supported a Palestinian state as part of a two state solution and is one of the major sources of funding for the Palestinian Authority and development projects in Palestine.
back where they came from
More than half of Israeli Jews are Mizrahi, who were expelled from Muslim and Arab countries. They can’t go back. Besides that most Israelis were born in the country.
I was kinda for it, but with the dangerous rise in quasi-nazi party AfD, I wonder what’s the point of banning a nazi flag… and it’s even more ridiculous that foreign ethno religious supremacists enjoy that level of protection.
They operated “in Europe” the same way Apple or Google does. They’re still subject to EU law, and while not infallible, Europe has shown it doesn’t just pave the way for oligarchy the same way the US does.
How much do you know about the Rothschilds and France?
Yes a slightly harder target but those UK arrests were because they sold UK secrets and got publicly caught. Very little has been done. The couple emailing about hunting humans, they’re Rothschilds.
Israel is still in Eurovision dude. You’re in a better position than Americans but don’t get complacent and start believing Israel and Russia weren’t actively competing for kompromat in your neck of the woods.
I know that the Rothschilds are a popular talking point for conspiracy nuts, and whenever I hear the name brought up I must prepare myself for some serious eye rolling exercises.
Yeah. That’s what everyone I’ve told this to has said. Next is the part where you google it and read a few very short e-mails several times trying to find some other meaning than what it sounds like.
Also Epstein seems to have regularly been introducing himself as the Rothschild’s money guy.
Dude, I’ve been exposed to this bullshit my entire life. You are not going to miraculously change anything by being umpteenth person to tell me to look up shit or “do my own research”.
the Rothschilds feature prominently in a lot of looney conspiracy theories, but that doesn’t mean there’s no such thing as the Rothschilds. A schizophrenic thinking the CIA is broadcasting them mind control waves through their fillings doesnt mean that there’s no such thing as the CIA.
The relevance of the Rothschilds only exists in conspiracies.
I always find it ironic that historically the Hapsburgs are right there. A literal powerful family that had its influence in every European country. But nobody is making conspiracies about them.
Just goes to show that these idiot ideas never come from educated individuals.
Yes. You’re a willfully ignorant and belligerant moron who can’t operate a search engine. That is tiresome and pathetic.
Maybe stop talking to people here? No one wants to read your bitching and you aren’t capable of learning so it really would be better for everyone if you didn’t exist here.
That’s not so much a theory as it’s just observing what Germany is doing.
They have strict rules on portrayals of Nazis and Nazi symbols that lead them to censor movies, games, comics, and other media. Examples of this include Indiana Jones or Wolfenstein.
The education system is very strict and specific about what it can talk about concerning the world wars and Germany. If you want detailed explanations, I have a few German friends I could ask directly.
I could also ask them to explain how often Germany paid Israel for WWII reperations and how WWII shaped all rhetoric involving Jews.
When it comes to Israel, sort of.
Germany is making extreme over-corrections for their past. Everything related to the two world wars and the role they played in it is subject to censorship and oversight, to a degree that’s almost comical if it weren’t real.
ONE MILLION Roma were murdered by the NAZIs during the Holocaust, alongside 3 million Jews.
Notice how German politicians don’t “unwaveringly support” the Roma. In fact, they don’t even talk about them.
The “change” in Germany after NAZIsm wasn’t the end of the idea that ethnicity defines how somebody should be treated or that some ethnicities are “good” and others are “bad”, it was merelly moving the Jewish People from the “bad” ethnicity to the “good” ethnicity column.
A consistent and non-racist “correction” for Germany’s past would see all of the actual victims of NAZIsm and their descendants being compensated for it, be they Roma, Jews, Handicaped, Homosexuals, Communists or from any other group, and ONLY the victims, not this Racist bullshit of claiming that all individuals of an entire and very specific ethnicity are all deserving of support even though the vast majority of them are in no way form or shape related to the victims of the NAZIs except for being born in the same ethnicity, whilst not doing it for those from other equally targetted groups (something I emphasize because it really shows how even the supposed “making of amends” is done in a Racist way).
This shit we see in Germany is not a genuine change from the way of thinking of the past, it’s just in the face of defeat doing the minimum required adjustment to the defeated political ideology to please the victors, which was moving a specific ethnicity which is influential in the main winner country of the war from untermenschen to ubermenschen, without doing it for any other targetted ethnicity, much less actually reforming the way of thinking about and acting towards people as “ethnics” that underpinned NAZIsm or even, as we see in this law, refuse to use force to silence dissenting opinions.
The “change” in Germany is mainly changing the façade, not at all the foundations - i.e. image management, not reform - hence how right now the open racism of “unwaveringly supporting” a genocidal nation with no other reason than the dominant ethnicity there and the choice of using force against those who disagree such as this law are right alongside:
It’s not particularly complex. Israel spends hundreds of millions a year on hasbara. In fact they upped the budget by more than 4x this year. Any German politician saying anything against Israel would be seen as Hitler 2.0 by a lot of people, because Israel == Jews and disagreeing with Israel == wanting to genocide Jews if it comes from a German politician in particular.
In 2008, Merkel actually said Israel’s security is Germany’s reason for existence. Merz, an Israel supporter himself, said in October that Germany can’t support another government “unconditionally” because the first priority of a government should be the people that live in the country itself.
Overall, support for Israel is down in Germany (among real people, not politicians), but there’s still a bunch of international propaganda by Israel making Israel out to be victims of literally everything and associating all Jewish people with Israel despite the fact that internationally, many disagree with zionism.
It’ll take long for things to change significantly, but change is underway.
Good.
That said my point still stands that the “support” for the Jewish People in Germany was never a visible element of a move away from the way of thinking which was the foundation of NAZIsm, it was only a façade whilst the Racism remained unabatted and the authoritarian tendencies were only mildly suppressed, as demonstrated by the totally different treatment extended to other victims of the Holocaust such as the Roma People, by the continuation of Race-centric treatment of people when supposedly moving away from the NAZI years into the “making of amends” to the victims (rather than a race-agnostic victim-centric view) and by the repeated use of Force in Germany to suppress political dissent such as llustrated by this law (and the countless videos of the politzei’s treatment of anti-Genocide demonstrators).
At least at the level of the political elites Germany is not a modern liberal nation, it’s a Racist nation with a very limited and mainly performative bit of “liberalism” (in such a fertile field of Race-centric and Authoritarian thinking, no wonder the growth of the AfD)
Germany (and the rest of the West, but Germany is significantly worse than most, IMHO) needs to move away from from the Normalized Racism of using people’s ethnicity as a determinant of their worth and deserved treatment and towards Humanist views, as well as away from creeping Authoritarianism like this.
It was and is so easy for the Zionists in Israel to manipulate Germany exactly because the latter country doesn’t really follow Humanist values (it just puts on a show of being a “modern” “liberal” country) hence the reaction to the Zionist Genocide was not the Humanist reaction (your actions define your worth and thus our support, and those who mass murder civilians don’t get our support), it was the extreme Racist reaction (the Kanzelier proclaiming “we unwaveringly support the Jewish Nation” at a point when the list of murdered babies 1 year old or younger in Gaza was already 17 pages long) and the Racism and Authoritarianism have carried on since, hence the continued forcefull suppression of anti-Genocide views, including this law.
And this shit wasn’t just the CDU and SDP, even the Greens had a Race-centric take rather than a Humanist one, holding a position which can only be derived from the belief that Race is more important than even Human Life.
All this to say that the change that has to happen for Germany to enter the XXI century is a lot deeper and fundamental than the miniscule step of stopping the “unwavering support for Jewish Nation”.
You gotta be careful with these levels of truth
I’m agreeing with you entirely, but I would be remiss if I didn’t point out that 6 million Jews were killed in the Holocaust - 3 million in the camps, and the remainder in the Holocaust-by-bullets or in mobile gas chamber vans or some other means.
Also, fun fact about West Germany, they made all the gay concentration camp inmates serve out the rest of their sentences (though I believe at regular prisons) since being gay was still illegal. The DDR did not do this. West Germany also had a program to place foster children with pedophiles since they figured they’d love them. I shit you not.
The over correcting logic doesn’t hold much.
From a business point of view when dealing with Israel, it doesn’t take much to figure out they are blocking or limiting Palestinians business.
From a military point of view, it doesn’t take much to realize how genocidal most of these technologies are.
With the US, we can attribute the support to many things, political reasons, capitalism, religious with Christian Zionists, and even blunt blackmailing. However, with Germany all these doesn’t work as well.
Personally, I think German rather have Zionist there than being in Europe. Which is the ultimate solution. If Israel fail, most of these people will go back where they came from ( Poland, Russia, Germany, France, England) or immigrate to NA or SA which would be another problem no one want to deal with.
Germany sees support for Israel‘s existence as preventing another Holocaust of the Jewish people.
In the 1950s Israel‘s economy was in shambles. So they accepted money from Germany to build their country, much of it went into buying heavy machinery from Germany.
Over time Germany and Israel cooperated militarily more. The Bundeswehr used the Uzi submachine gun for example and the Israeli Merkava tank uses German technology.
Germany also sold submarines to Israel, which are capable of launching nuclear missiles. Some of the submarines were paid for by Germany. The capability for a nuclear second strike via submarines is regarded as insurance for Israel‘s existence.
German involvement with Israel/Palestine goes back a long time. German Jews were important in the Zionist movement and founding of Israel. On the other hand the Palestinian leader Al-Husseini lived in Germany during WW2 and worked for the Nazis.
During the Cold War East Germany was among the first countries to support the PLO. West German leftist terrorists like RAF (Baader-Meinhof) cooperated with Palestinian militants and conducted several high profile operations together (e.g. Entebbe).
The Palestinian terrorist attack on the Israeli Olympic team 1972 in Munich was a major embarrassment for the German government.
Israel is a highly developed country. Palestine has a small economy compared to Israel. A big part of Palestinian trade goes through Israel anyway. Germany doesn’t sanction trade with Palestine in any way. As a matter of fact Germany has long supported a Palestinian state as part of a two state solution and is one of the major sources of funding for the Palestinian Authority and development projects in Palestine.
More than half of Israeli Jews are Mizrahi, who were expelled from Muslim and Arab countries. They can’t go back. Besides that most Israelis were born in the country.
I was kinda for it, but with the dangerous rise in quasi-nazi party AfD, I wonder what’s the point of banning a nazi flag… and it’s even more ridiculous that foreign ethno religious supremacists enjoy that level of protection.
Maybe part of it but Maxwell and Epstein also operated in Europe. Germany has billionaires and easily compromised politicians.
They operated “in Europe” the same way Apple or Google does. They’re still subject to EU law, and while not infallible, Europe has shown it doesn’t just pave the way for oligarchy the same way the US does.
How much do you know about the Rothschilds and France?
Yes a slightly harder target but those UK arrests were because they sold UK secrets and got publicly caught. Very little has been done. The couple emailing about hunting humans, they’re Rothschilds.
Israel is still in Eurovision dude. You’re in a better position than Americans but don’t get complacent and start believing Israel and Russia weren’t actively competing for kompromat in your neck of the woods.
I know that the Rothschilds are a popular talking point for conspiracy nuts, and whenever I hear the name brought up I must prepare myself for some serious eye rolling exercises.
Yeah. That’s what everyone I’ve told this to has said. Next is the part where you google it and read a few very short e-mails several times trying to find some other meaning than what it sounds like.
Also Epstein seems to have regularly been introducing himself as the Rothschild’s money guy.
Dude, I’ve been exposed to this bullshit my entire life. You are not going to miraculously change anything by being umpteenth person to tell me to look up shit or “do my own research”.
It’s just tiresome and pathetic.
the Rothschilds feature prominently in a lot of looney conspiracy theories, but that doesn’t mean there’s no such thing as the Rothschilds. A schizophrenic thinking the CIA is broadcasting them mind control waves through their fillings doesnt mean that there’s no such thing as the CIA.
The relevance of the Rothschilds only exists in conspiracies.
I always find it ironic that historically the Hapsburgs are right there. A literal powerful family that had its influence in every European country. But nobody is making conspiracies about them.
Just goes to show that these idiot ideas never come from educated individuals.
Yes. You’re a willfully ignorant and belligerant moron who can’t operate a search engine. That is tiresome and pathetic.
Maybe stop talking to people here? No one wants to read your bitching and you aren’t capable of learning so it really would be better for everyone if you didn’t exist here.
Here i looked it up for you
https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/epstein-files-cryptic-emails-1781667
GL getting into a group home, maybe you’ll do better with people like you
Practicing in front of the mirror, I see.
Maybe if you try hard enough you can get a career as a clown. But I’m not going to bother with you anymore.
Have fun with your life, Random Conspiracy Nut # 12,907.
Tattorack, thats a theory that night be true-- do you have any data to show us that helps prove its accurate?
That’s not so much a theory as it’s just observing what Germany is doing.
They have strict rules on portrayals of Nazis and Nazi symbols that lead them to censor movies, games, comics, and other media. Examples of this include Indiana Jones or Wolfenstein.
The education system is very strict and specific about what it can talk about concerning the world wars and Germany. If you want detailed explanations, I have a few German friends I could ask directly.
I could also ask them to explain how often Germany paid Israel for WWII reperations and how WWII shaped all rhetoric involving Jews.