United States President Donald Trump says Washington had armed Iranian opposition groups and protesters during mass antigovernment demonstrations in December and January, in which thousands of people were killed during crackdowns by government forces.
There is no protester fighting for justice alive or dead that Trump would help. He wants everyone not with him dead…
Iranian civilians.
Americans that refuse his rule.
Everyone. Everyone what opposes his little pp bullshit.
He wants all of us dead. Not calm, quiet, or silent. He wants us dead.
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Wait, tramp is credible now when it happens to validate your claims? He’s a clown.
He’s a clown that’s what makes it probable he said the quiet part out loud which no other POTUS was dumb enough to admit in the open.
You got a point though, with all that bullshit coming from him we can’t decide what might be true between all those lies and shouldn’t chose based on our world view.
Here’s how these things happen: there is dissatisfaction with the government-- in this case, yes general unhappiness with the theocracy, but acutely with severe economic strain brought about by draconian sanctions. This situation, engineered in part by external forces, is then amplified and aggravated by those same external forces. This doesn’t mean that the majority of those on the streets were agents of the US/Israel, but there were absolutely those agents there. Israel explicitly admitted as much at the time. That situation was absolutely the beginning stage of the war.
i don’t get the cope in this thread. it’s something the us does do with some regularity, and i thought you guys disliked trump’s fascism anyway.
why the desperation to vilify iran in a war you claim to not even want to fight?
Because this is one of those other cases where BOTH sides are bad. I KNOW! Who could have known that is possible, it’s unheard of!
In World War 2, the allies consisted of the following countries, among others:
- The United States, which had racial segregation and imprisoned every Japanese American at the start of the war
- Britain and France, which maintained brutal overseas empires where they de-facto enslaved native peoples. Britain had an artificial famine in Bengal that killed some 3 million people, and Churchill laughed it off, saying Indians will breed like rabbits in any case
- the USSR, which had purges and gulags
- China, which was at the time a highly corrupt basket case largely governed by warlords
Given this, would you say that BOTH sides were bad? Hopefully not. You might say that there are degrees of badness, and in some cases, as for instance in a major war, you have to choose between degrees of badness, and that the least bad side is the de-facto good side. Okay, now you’re up to speed, welcome to the world.
bOtH sIdEs!
Because this is one of those other cases where BOTH sides are bad.
The thing with moral relativism is that it puts the two subjects on the same level. But are they?
One side represses legitimate but dangerous riots with violence, the other kills schoolgirls at their desks during class hours.
by the us government’s open admission, apparently not.
and they are being fine anti imperialists lately. why vilify them at precisely this moment?
In all the videos I saw of the Iranian regime killing protesters, the protesters were all unarmed.
This smells like progranda to me.
Both can be true:
The US tried to arm protesters via the Kurds to provoke a civil war paving the way for destabilization of Iran in the long run and possible intervention (with the Kurds not being willing to pass on the weapons as they got betrayed by Trump not that long ago).
And at the same time the peaceful protesters in Iran were murdered by the theocracy fearing for its power… possibly enhanced should the regime have gained knowledge of the planned US weapon deliveries.
Sure, but that’s not what the article seems to be claiming and that’s what I’m calling out here.
If it’s propaganda, it’s the dumbest least effective kind, since Trump would only be making the people he’s at war at look better.
Which, saying it sounds like something he would do.
I’m not sure how it qualifies as propaganda though because it doesn’t accomplish anything propaganda would, considering the source
Yeah, this wasn’t some civil war scenario. Iran was simply mass-murdering the people.
Yes, but it’s left-wing propaganda, so you’re supposed to let it slide.
…which of these two governments is left wing, exactly?
The propaganda that the Iranian government was only being protested because western colonial powers were prompting it is left-wing propaganda. That it also happens to serve the interests of right-wing religious fascists in Iran doesn’t mean it doesn’t also serve the interests of the left.
You may be surprised to learn that the far left support any government, no matter how repressive, if it stands up to the US and “westerners” in general.
I’m very left. We don’t support Iran’s regime. They are murderous monsters. And are against everything we stand for like feminism and LGBTIQ rights
That doesn’t mean it’s ok to unilaterally and in contravention to international law start bombing the shit out of Iran. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
Also it’s not an actual solution. The US destroyed Iraq’s pretty bad regime, then left a power vacuum that made things even worse for their people and created ISIS.
In Afghanistan they created just a temporary relief until they gave up and things returned back to how they were.
This time it caused a lot shit for the whole world and there isn’t even a plan for after.
Libya is an even better example of a situation of were Western attacks claiming to be meant to “Overthrow a murderous dictator and bring in Democratic values” made things vastly worse.
The fact that you think the US has any form of “far left” presence beyond fringe college clubs and CIA honeypots says everything
Not that I necessarily disagree with your first point, I just don’t see it as evidence of the existence of a far left. The Iranian people have been protesting the Iranian government on their own for ages.
I’m not talking specifically about the US far left. I’m talking about Lemmy / Mbin / Fediverse leftists who celebrate Iran as an opponent to the US and then retcon that the government of Iran must not have legitimate internal opposition. Some of them are probably based in the US as well. I’m not clear on where technocrit is from.
The term you’re looking for is “tankies”
I think there’s more nuance. Tankies love Russia and North Korea. If you don’t like those two but you think Venezuela, Iran, and Iran’s proxies are just fine, you may not be a tankie, but you are leaning that way.
Is technocrit a tankie? If so, he or she hides enough of it to get lots of support from lemmy.world leftists. The same people who are happy to bitch about hexbear and lemmy.ml seem to find little wrong with technocrit and tropicaldingdong.
What is left wing about that? Sounds like Russian propaganda. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear something like that from AfD or FPÖ … and they hate Muslims but they also repeat everything Sputnik writes.
Akshually, Iran is one of the countries that had almost as much US meddling as Latin America since the 50s.
Good point!
You’re justifying their executions if you claim they are being armed by foreign enemies. This helps no one but arms manufacturers.
You’re justifying their executions
Only if you’re incapable of holding two thoughts in your head at the same time.
I didn’t listen too hard because a Trump supporter provided the information… but someone told me recently (yesterday) that Trump tried to arm a militia group who’d worked with the US in the past. Supposedly that group was supposed to arm the civilians but they kept the weapons for themselves.
Honestly, would be fucking crazy either way. Because, in that case, it sounds like Trump spooked the Iranian government into its atrocities.
Edit: they were talking about Iranian Kurdish opposition factions
Edit 2: this article brings it up https://nypost.com/2026/04/05/us-news/president-trump-reveals-us-attempted-to-funnel-weapons-to-iranian-protesters-claims-regime-slaughtered-45k/
A guilty comprador seldom admits guilt.
Meanwhile the Iranian Kurds states never receiving any such arms nor are they taking part in the US war
The Kurds should trust the US again. How does the saying go?
Trust them eight times and get betrayed every single time, trust them again and get betrayed just for old times sake - Unknown western diplomat
“Being an enemy of America is dangerous, but being its friend is fatal.”
Well… Technically, he didn’t say they were successfully armed. He said there was an attempt made but he thought the arms didn’t make it to the protesters.
Edit: Still seems like a big deal for it to be confirmed in any sense.
Treating Trump as a source of any kind of truth is extremely shaky.
I bet Trump is gonna “confirm” CCP Claims that he’s “personally funding” “Taiwan Independence” so that CCP has an excuse to invade, but then he’s also not gonna help Taiwan…
Literally just playing both sides lol…
Claims that he’s “personally funding” “Taiwan Independence”
How would that materialize? Because if it’s by selling weapons, they’ve never been shy about it.
As if them being unarmed would change your worldview, OP.
Aljazeera
I really believe that Trump is able to do the most stupid things, sane people cannot even come up with. But I would very much like to see a credible source before I believe that.
Al Jazeera is mot a reputable source anymore?
Like all news orginizations, Al Jazeera is shit when you compare it to the platonic ideal of news. However, when you compare it to Western media, it’s solidly middle of the pack. During the Gaza genocide, it was the Al Jazeera reporters who were on the ground and targeted for death.
The biggest criticism of Al Jazeera is the race/religion of it’s reporters. People are going to show up to tell me that it’s Qatari state-run. But those same people don’t feel the same about DW, BBC, or NPR.
The best evidence for Al Jazeera’s credibility is they are constantly being banned in Israel for reporting on that regime’s crimes.
