People don’t need to believe in an invisible sky wizard to have a common sense of either of those things. and I’m not particularly impressed with religious morality, nor with many of the societies that religion has built.
But such a belief is very useful as a common means to control and exploit people, both individually and en masse.
They don’t need to do it anymore. Go back couple hundred years and could be killed. Or even now in couple of places.
Do not judge by one very very short snapshot.
So you confirm your position that one could have been killed by religious people ~200 years ago. That doesn’t really support your argument, which centers around the dawn of civilization.
No my argument is that morality is based on religion. Your argument is that you don’t need religion for morals.
I reiterated that you do not need religion for morals any more. And I made a point that you needed religion 200 years ago to stay alive and that even some places you still need it to stay alive.
Then you were confused about the 200 yrs - and I pointed out that you still need religion in couple places to stay alive.
And now you are having a gotcha moment because religious people kill people just like any fanatics do. Just look around to all the freaking conflicts going on right now.
And btw in their eyes they are on the moral high ground - they are right - so religion is a basis of morality and society.
People don’t need to believe in an invisible sky wizard to have a common sense of either of those things. and I’m not particularly impressed with religious morality, nor with many of the societies that religion has built.
But such a belief is very useful as a common means to control and exploit people, both individually and en masse.
They don’t need to do it anymore. Go back couple hundred years and could be killed. Or even now in couple of places.
Do not judge by one very very short snapshot.
Could be killed by religious people? 200 years isn’t exactly the stone ages.
Go to some arabic backwater town and start talking about Allah. Let’s see how long you would last.
Nevermind you can be a cartoonist in France.
So you confirm your position that one could have been killed by religious people ~200 years ago. That doesn’t really support your argument, which centers around the dawn of civilization.
No my argument is that morality is based on religion. Your argument is that you don’t need religion for morals.
I reiterated that you do not need religion for morals any more. And I made a point that you needed religion 200 years ago to stay alive and that even some places you still need it to stay alive.
Then you were confused about the 200 yrs - and I pointed out that you still need religion in couple places to stay alive.
And now you are having a gotcha moment because religious people kill people just like any fanatics do. Just look around to all the freaking conflicts going on right now.
And btw in their eyes they are on the moral high ground - they are right - so religion is a basis of morality and society.