Why are we comparing it to the US? My original point was that Germany did not effectively denazify. You disagree, and clearly have greater lived experience with the place, I’m not disputing that. I still feel it was not done properly.

I have endless heaps of criticism, historical up through today, for so much of what my own country (US) has done. I could easily fill pages talking about our crimes (and perfectly legal abuses), plenty of which you’ve probably never even heard of. There’s zero value in addressing that here, to me, entire Lemmy servers handle that very well by my measure.

I’m asking you to evaluate your own country more critically. But merely in defense of my own statement that Germany did not sufficiently denazify, and nothing you’ve said changes my opinion on that thus far. I don’t think we have much else to discuss, but you might disagree.

Edit: in case it needs to be said, US inspired Nazis in the first place, and then welcomed the ones they found useful after the war, I would argue we barely denazified at all. And as you said, look at today. You’re making it “but the US”, my point was always and only about Germany.

Edit numero dos: maybe this is my clearest point, 77% in 1957, disgustingly Nazi shit today via ongoing material support of ongoing genocide, genocide, evil among evil. You claim denazification, and of course, none of those 77% (and moving forward) would be using such symbols. But are they doing the same kinds of things? Are you aware of what Volkswagen was doing in South America up until the modern era? Seems a loooot like Nazi shit.

If post-war German government is the Ship of Theseus - where’s the point where there’s roughly no more Nazi shit? It never occurred, too few boards were replaced, it’s still too much like the original ship.