If Washington’s participation in Israel’s June 2025 war with Iran elevated U.S. military force to a perfectly viable instrument of the United States’ Iran policy, the success of current talks would signal the formal undoing of that logic. But should the failure of talks pave the way for another full-scale war, the United States and Israel will be fighting an Iran vastly different from June. For the Iran of today appears to have made its peace with the grim conclusion that while a decisive slog with Israel and the United States is sure to be agonizing, it is preferable to the recurring attrition of repeated wars and a chronic strategic vulnerability that only emboldens adversaries to target Iran and its regional allies.
You need to read history. Russia has been a target of Europe for a very long time. They want the natural resources under their control. Napoleon invaded Russia in an attempt to dominate it and control who it could trade with. The US and the Allies invaded Russia in 1918 to stop the communists from taking over. Hitler invaded Russia intending to enslave everyone and control all their resources. And Western Europe was pretty bullish on that idea. Many American business leaders supported Hitler, as did many English political leaders and business leaders.
When Russia was dismantled, Bill Clinton held NATO meetings with Yeltsin and Yeltsin made it clear that, following years of rapprochement with the USA, Russia would be a good capitalist ally. Clinton instead chose to expand NATO, a transnational nuclear military with no democratic accountability that was designed specifically to counter Russian military capabilities and staffed by Nazi officers specifically because they were trained on anti-Russian strategies and tactics. That choice demonstrated a US and European consensus to continue having a violently oppositional posture towards Russia and indeed enhance that posture over time. Putin continued to enrich Yeltsin’s position of economic and military cooperation with the West, thinking that the expansion of NATO was just precautionary and eventually the West would accept Russia into the club. But after multiple failures of repeated attempts to integrate their Russian security framework with the West’s, it became abundantly clear that the West would never accept anything less than total Russian subjugation.
Oh I missed the .ml my apologies.
Yes, it was the former. There is so much propaganda here I don’t even know where to begin.
Go for it. Pick a single thing that you think is false or spun in a way that leads to incorrect conclusions.
Sure, Billy the molestor Clinton championed Eastern block nations joining Nato, but it wasn’t ever his decision as it required buy in from Eastern block countries to agree to as well as Nato members (a real sore spot for nationalist Russian assholes)
The expansion of NATO is the propaganda (along with stopping “nazification”) that Putin the mass murderer used to justify invading Ukraine costing well over a million casualties now. This is particularly distasteful because of how close Ukraine was with Russia. They were brothers and sisters forced to kill each other by murderous fascist pigs.
That is the problem with .ml squatters, they will tell you that China’s fascism tastes better than US fascism with a straight face. It is okay when their team kills millions of people. It makes me sick.
Also, the US and Russia ended up being great trading partners increasing trade dramatically every year until 2008. Propaganda always has a little truth sprinkled in and a lot of big lies.
While it is true that countries have to elect to join NATO, it’s obvious how that has been manipulated. NATO attacked Yugoslavia, claiming it was for humanitarian reasons, then dropped depleted uranium bombs on the country. Meanwhile, NATO’s decades-long program of cultivating neo-nazi and fascist militias became a good starting point for manipulating the politics of these countries. But then of course the US spent hundreds of millions of dollars throughout the region further manipulating the politics of the region.
It’s true that countries elect to be part of NATO, but that’s the grain of truth in the pro-Western propaganda.
The expansion of NATO into Ukraine is why the Russians took Crimea. The invasion of the Donbas was caused by some intelligence analysis that we don’t have access to. In 2013, a few months before Euromaidan, NATO and Ukraine did their first ever fully join exercise. Between 2014 and 2022, NATO and Ukraine ran simulated invasions of Russian territory together. The idea that NATO poses no threat to anyone is propaganda. NATO has violated it’s doctrine of defense-only multiple times at the behest of the US in Libya and Afghanistan, two countries completely out of the scope of NATOs remit and purely offensive campaigns run by the US.
NATO is a transnational nuclear military with supply chain and logistics across all of Europe, led by the USA, the country with the longest track record of consistent offensive wars, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and open support for Nazis and neo-nazis. The same US that saved 10k Nazis from justice through collaboration with the Vatican and moved them all over the Western hemisphere, protecting them, giving them jobs, integrating them into politics and the military. The same US that selected Nazi officers right after WW2 to staff NATO and rebuilt West Germany and watched and even supported former Nazi politicians in running for and attaining office.
Yugoslavia was engaging in ethnic cleansing having killed over ten thousand civilians which lead to the displacement of almost a million people. That is the definition of a fucking genocide son.
Where in the fuck you think this was okay and didn’t need an intervention I am not sure. The NATO bombing was criticized for killing a lot of civilians and destroying infrastructure. Was it the right call? I guess we will never know for sure.
What we do know is Yugoslavia was murdering far more civilians than NATO did. The intervention also lead to a peace agreement.
Ukraine HAS NOT JOINED NATO. Why spread lies to justify murder. It really makes you look like a piece of shit.
NATO has never invaded another country in a war of conquest, guess who has!? Fucking Russia.
If Russia put down it arms today and dismantled its military you think NATO would invade it!? That they would violate their commitments just like Russia ALREADY DID WITH UKRAINE.
Is NATO representative of the fascist fucks in the US? Certainly. We all known the US is responsible for the most deaths in human history.
That has nothing to do with the death and destruction Russia has brought on Ukraine in what can only be described as a war crime of unbelievable magnitude. They have forced their countrymen to die for literally nothing. Killing their closest ally in a sick game of propaganda.
And here you are parroting their lies. Pretty pathetic.
What lies? You admit yourself that NATO is an extension of the most murderous fascist regime in the world. It’s bombing of Yugoslavia was a symbolic break from its doctrine of exclusive defense. NATO was not chartered to intervene in civil wars, it was chartered for collective defense. It’s intervention in Yugoslavia was literally illegal under international law. But of course you ignored the fact that it was also used Libya and Afghanistan, again at the behest of the USA.
NATO is a threat to ANY enemy of the US and the evidence is the undeniable pile of bodies.
So why, when you can literally look up every single joint NATO/Ukraine exercise, do you think it’s spreading Russian lies to say that NATO was considered a security threat? Are you saying Russia can never consider NATO to be a security threat? That it’s impossible for them to ever make that determination?
Here’s Operation Ocean Shield. https://www.nato.int/en/news-and-events/articles/news/2013/10/30/nato-and-ukraine-navy-together-in-the-fight-against-piracy
You can also look up Steadfast Defender 21, the Anakonda exercises, and others. Many involved Ukrainian troops being trained and establishing interop with NATO weapons systems and involved sieging or “denying” Kaliningrad. You can argue that these are “defensive” sieges and “defensive” denials and “defensive” rapid deployment of US and Canadian troops and “defensive” interop programs to enable intermediate range missile systems in Ukrainian operations. But at a certain point - probably the point where NATO just ignores its charter and attacks whoever the US says to - it becomes foolish to just believe the fascists are peacefully expanding their transnational nuclear military originally staffed by literal Nazis and run entirely as a lapdog of the fascist US, don’t you think?
If Russia put its arms down today, NATO would continue to establish its denial capabilities and expand them to create conditions where Russia would not be able to defend itself from any aggression. That’s the security issue. You can’t just play a chess game and not move any pieces while your opponent moves theirs. Moving the pawn out? Not offensive. Moving the bishop out? Not offensive. No pieces were taken. Moving the queen out? Not offensive. You have nothing to worry about, right?
Russia is an actual country with an actual military and an actual national security apparatus that assessed the situation as too dangerous to not act. That’s the fundamental. We can argue all day long about their assessment and get nowhere because a) we don’t have access to it and b) you are so brainwashed by Western propaganda that you think NATO is just a peaceful passive entity for defense in case those hordes decide to attack. But we don’t have to argue that. We just have to argue about whether or not you believe Russia is capable of having a national security threat that it can respond to. It seems like you don’t think so.
The only reason for Russia to be a threat to NATO and the rest of the world is it own actions. Please lecture me on the evil of the US while Russia has just sacrificed 200k of its innocent civilians in a war of aggression with its closest ally based on lies you believe.
For once in history it isn’t the US and that is all you can think about. I hate fascists. The entire world is fascist including your stupid pet countries. I will tell you the difference between these fascist cunts.
The US only lost 7,000k soldiers in the entire time in the middle east from 2001-2021. The truth about Russia is its just a shittier version of fascism which somehow cares even less about their people.
Please tell me more about how I believe western propaganda and wonder why I think you are acting like a dumb cunt.
I really don’t understand why this is so difficult for you. The US killed over half a million children in Iraq and Madeline Albright went on national TV and said she’d do it again because it was worth it. Hillary Clinton said “We came! We saw! He died!” Laughing about the sodomization of Gaddafi with a bayonet in a war that the US literally created by funnelling weapons, money, and intelligence to partisans in Libya when it was the most prosperous country in the continent and had the highest living standards for its people. NATO was involved in that war of aggression that was helmed by the US.
The entire world saw all of that happen and understood what it meant - except Americans. Americans looked at Libya and said “Gaddafi was a bad man who hated his people and made their lives miserable and then when the people rose up he tried to violently repress him so we had to go in there and protect them!” The rest of the world saw that and went “Holy shit the US is just willing to openly start civil wars, destroy entire countries, turn them into open air slave markets, gloat about it on the international stage, and not a single institution is going to challenge their narrative let alone stop them”
So when NATO and the US show up on Ukraine and start joint military exercises, and then a right wing US friendly movement takes over in a “popular uprising”, complete with neo-Nazis, open murder of civilians by neo-Nazis, and US politicians and military personnel on the ground, it’s time to take notice.
When you recognize that the Nazi blitzkrieg and Napoleon’s invasion both leveraged the very vulnerable parts of the Russian border, which just so happen to overlap with the Ukraine border, you don’t wait to see if the EuroFascists are going to try to invade your country and kill tens of millions of your people.
Russia made a security-based decision. Was it the right decision? We don’t know. We can’t know. But to argue that Russia had absolutely zero possible security threats is essentially saying that the only thing Russia is ever allowed to defend itself against is a direct strike.
You don’t believe that for anyone else in the world, except maybe China. You would certainly have a problem with Russian troops in Venezuela, or Chinese troops on Canada, or a collation of Russian, Chinese, and North Korean troops amassing in Cuba. And if the US attacked them because they were clearly amassing in a threatening way, you wouldn’t say the US had zero national security concerns.
But because you have been raised to believe that Russia can have zero legitimate interests in the world, that it is literally impossible for it to act in self defense unless directly attacked, you watch as the US builds base after base, 600+ in countries all over the world, and think this is fine.
By the way, this whole concept of voluntarily accepting a US or NATO base on your sovereign territory, literally giving up sovereignty over some of your land and putting your country into a position to basically be pre-invaded should you ever come to blows with the US - we’ve seen this before. It’s called appeasement. When the Third Reich first start expanding, it didn’t do it by launching wars, it did it through politics. The West appeased Germany, and Germany expanded.
You recognize the US is a violent fascist country. You recognize that appeasement of the Third Reich was a terrible policy. But you just cannot put two and two together and for whatever reason you believe that allowing the US and NATO to expand “voluntarily” is not appeasement and that Russia finally fighting back to stop the slow march and assert its national security interests makes Russia not only evil but WORSE because they actually sacrifice their people for this mission.
I mean, it defies reason. I really struggle to understand how you don’t feel the emotion driving your argument away from reason and towards contradiction.